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Title: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on July 29, 2013, 05:27:30 PM
Hi,

I have a 1953 Terrot 125cc bike that needs parts and restoration.  Does anyone have information about where to find parts? I need a gas tank and handle bars, etc.  I want to restore it and need any info I can find!

Thanks, Joe, Boston Massachusetts
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: R on July 30, 2013, 12:03:24 AM
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/5774/premiresortieag9.jpg

You can't track down the tank off your bike ?

We would imagine you are going to get pretty good at trawling through french and german ebay and fleamarket sites !
(Do the french have ebay ?).
And the Terrot Forum   
http://terrot.org/
Good Luck...
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on July 30, 2013, 09:11:59 AM
That's a nice looking little bike. Any photos of yours?
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on August 06, 2013, 02:59:26 PM
Hi R - Not sure what you mean by "you can't track down the tank off your bike?"  Would you mind clarifying?  Yes are right - most of the sites are in french and I don't know french!  I have thought about taking a course in french.....if you hear of any parts sites in your travels, let me know!  Thanks!

Murdo - I do have some pictures and will post within the next day or so.  It is hard to imagine that this bike *may* look as good as the one in the link R provided.  Hope springs eternal, right?!  Thanks!

Joe Joyce
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: R on August 07, 2013, 12:06:35 AM
What happened to the tank off your bike - or what is wrong with it ?
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on August 07, 2013, 04:03:51 AM
Oh, I get it now!

Many years ago my it was leaking and my brother brought it to a gas station and never retrieved it and I am sure it is gone now - that was probably 30+ years ago.  So I need to hunt down a gas tank......

The photo you attached was great, what a nice looking bike.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: R on August 08, 2013, 12:35:31 AM
The photo you attached was great, what a nice looking bike.

Just a pic found by searching.
On the Terrot Forum it seems.
Very pretty bike. Very comprehensive restoration too.

That Terrot forum looks to be the way to go to find a tank. ?
Sure that if you ask in english, someone will do a translation for you.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on August 08, 2013, 10:01:09 PM
The "Terrot Forum" meaning Terrot.org?
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on August 08, 2013, 10:02:38 PM
By the way - my wife and I have a running joke about the motorcycle, which she says isn't a motorcycle.....well I sent he the pic you sent and said "wow, if yours comes out that way, it will be great".  So there is hope!
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: R on August 25, 2013, 11:45:37 PM
The "Terrot Forum" meaning Terrot.org?

Yes.

It seems the french do have ebay - and terrot stuff is quite popular.
Keep an eye on it for a while, and you may find what ye seek ?
What is the word for "petrol tank" ??
   
http://www.ebay.fr/sch/i.html?_odkw=terrot+reservoir&_ipg=200&_sop=1&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_mPrRngCbx=1&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313&_nkw=terrot+&_sacat=0

Prices all look like they have lost a zero off the end, compared to some classic brit stuff...
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on August 27, 2013, 02:13:59 PM
Hi,

Thank you very much.  These is quite a bit of Terrot stuff out there, so maybe I'll get lucky.  I have been using Google Translate and I typed in "looking for a petrol tank" and it writes it in French!

Yesterday I recieved my monthly copy of Hemmings Classic Cars and they profile someone in Central Massachusetts who restore wheels, so I will try to contact him and have him take a look at mine and see what he has to say.  I would like to do the restoration of them if possible, but can use the resource. Hopefully he'll be open to talking.  Trying to find a place in Mass. that does plastic media blasting.

So, progress is slow, but I know more than I did two months ago.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: 33d6 on August 30, 2013, 09:20:46 AM
You might find these sites of assistance. www.terrot-club-france.com or www.motohisto.com . You could also chase up these links on the Terrot Club site,  http://59terrot.free.fr or www.terrot-oldtimer.de and http://terrotiste.free.fr

Don't worry too much about the language problem. You'll be chatting about a common interest and people are more than willing to meet you halfway if you try. The major problem I find is that I want to improve my hopeless French but people immediately reply in English so I never get the chance to improve.
It's surprising what you can do with a French language spare parts manual.

Best of luck,
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on September 01, 2013, 07:56:34 PM
Thanks!  I will Check out those sites I also have started using google translate which translates pretty well, so I oiled actually post in French.  I hope to post some pics of the poor bike within the next few days - truly a basket case.  Thanks again!
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on September 04, 2013, 02:42:38 AM
Does anyone know if 1952 and 1953 models are very similar? I found a 1952 gas tank and am wondering if it will fit my 1953 bike?

Very exciting!!!!!!
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: R on September 04, 2013, 05:16:19 AM
This pic off the net would seem to suggest 52 and 53 models are near identical. (?)
http://www.59legend.com/images/membres/dominique1.jpg

Looks like they were the same back to 1949 as well. And possibly longer.
http://cybermotorcycle.com/gallery/terrot/images/Terrot_1949_Catalogue.jpg

Just be aware that there were other models of Terrot, as can be seen there, and something off another model may not quite be so interchangeable - can you get a pic of what you are being offered, with mention its a 125cc version ?

Happy hunting - its always good to make some progress....
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on September 04, 2013, 01:31:25 PM
Hi,

I joined a German Terrot site ( http://f3.webmart.de/f.cfm?id=3307019&r=threadview&t=3999571&pg=1) and posted a question about parts (including the gas tank). 

Someone posted a response "Look Here":  http://www.leboncoin.fr/equipement_moto/506611461.htm?ca=1_s   - this is a 1952 gas tank. 

I haven't contacted the person yet, but thought it might be an option until I find a 1953 model.

Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: R on September 04, 2013, 11:40:07 PM
We think you should grab it now !

A parts list would confirm that the same tank was used for years and years, until the whole look changed  ?
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on September 05, 2013, 01:16:57 AM
!!!!

I did write to the person and asked them if it was still available, so I am working on it!

As for a parts list, I have been looking (a little) on the French eBay site and could probably find something there - or Google is my friend and maybe I'll get lucky.

I'll keep you posted on my pursuit of it - haven't heard back yet, but only sent it a few hours ago.

One thing I noticed about my bike that I don't see on too many other pictures is my bike has a chrome (rusted, but still chrome) part where you put your feet when riding - it sort of passes through the frame......
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: R on September 05, 2013, 02:44:53 AM
Something we would probably recommend is where you are buying a tank that you can't actually try on your frame -
-measure your frame and get a measurement (in millimetres) of how far apart the tank mounts/fittings are.

For example, a (completely unrelated) frame here is 360mm (about 14 inches) apart, front to back, in the tank mounts.

If you can get the seller to confirm these measurements - perhaps with a drawing of this size -  this will at least confirm that you are not buying an elephant sized tank to fit a mini minor, if you get the drift.
Although that tank looks good...
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on September 05, 2013, 01:55:24 PM
Now that is a very good point.  I will write to the person again (this time I will write in French, last time I wrote in English).  Maybe sometime today I'll post an update of what I've found in the past 4 weeks of doing this research.....

Thanks for the advice!

Joe
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on September 05, 2013, 02:23:16 PM
This is probably too much information, but thought I’d write and give some background on this bike.  Back in the mid-1970s my brother somehow ended up with this bike.  It was together but he was having trouble keeping it running – it would always stall, plus the gas tank leaked.  He brought the gas tank to a gas station and that was the last I saw of it. 

At some point I found the bike, all apart, sitting out behind the house.  I remember being 14 years old and setting up the wheels and motor and sitting on it and thinking, “...I’m 14 and it I could get this running by the time I get my license (16.5) that would be so cool...”  Well I just turned 50!  I put the bike in my parent’s basement to get it out of the weather – this was probably in 1979 or so.  At some point in the 1980s my brother told me I could have the bike. 

The years passed and I owned that house (this is in the early 2000s) and was having the furnace serviced.  I didn’t know it, but the guy cleaning the furnace liked motorcycles and he said to me  “that is a pretty nice bike you have over there...” to which I said “my parents thought I was nuts to keep it and my wife thinks I’m nuts to keep it...”  He put down his tool, looked me in the eyes and said, “I’d don’t think you’re nuts, not at all...”  !!!!!  My dad said many times that he wouldn’t live to see it restored and sadly he was correct.  BUT, my wife, who would say I had a bicycle with a motor and not a motorcycle, is coming around, certainly after I showed her a couple pics of restored models. 

I recently sold my parent’s house and dragged the Terrot back to my house this past July (2013).  The chrome is pretty heavily rusted due to being in a damp basement.  The entire thing sits under my porch in eastern Massachusetts.  So now that it is nearby (or underneath the porch) I have been  interested in finally working on it. 

The weird/surprising/”no way” thing about this is that I do not have a motorcycle license, have ridden on one twice in my life and do not really have any mechanical knowledge.  I have renovated a couple of houses, so I do like stripping things down and putting them back together, but this is way beyond my knowledge.  But I’m taking this on and will get it done.  I love the looks of old bikes, pre-1950 especially.  Hopefully I can keep the costs reasonable.  Thanks for reading.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on September 05, 2013, 09:44:55 PM
Go for it Joe. The worst that can happen is that you have to get help to do some jobs, but the satisfaction of knowing that you did it yourself and saved a bit of history is priceless.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: Don-Spada on September 14, 2013, 08:29:56 PM
You might want to keep an eye on this site too.  It is a kind of French Gumtree for classified ads.  looks like there is quite a bit of Terrot stuff.
http://www.leboncoin.fr/annonces/offres/centre/occasions/?f=a&th=1&q=terrot&it=1 (http://www.leboncoin.fr/annonces/offres/centre/occasions/?f=a&th=1&q=terrot&it=1)

(http://193.164.196.30/images/624/624314086615700.jpg)
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on September 16, 2013, 03:52:37 AM
Hi Don,

I have been looking at that site every few days. Thanks though for the info.

I have sent the person who posted that gas tank at least 2 emails and have heard nothing, so I assumed it was sold.  I may have to call him or her - hmmm Boston to France...I wonder how much that costs!

I am about to post some pics of my bike, which is all apart at the moment.
Joe
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on September 16, 2013, 10:00:06 AM
A bit of spit and polish and she'll be good as new.  ;D
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on September 16, 2013, 02:27:19 PM
Thanks  :)

I have looked on Terrot.org and they have before and after pictures which are quite motivating.  Fortunately, don't know the amount of work ahead of me to restore this, because I haven't done restored a motorcycle (or car) before.  Sometimes it is better that way......
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on September 17, 2013, 03:42:39 AM
I keep trying to post additional pictures, but for some reason they are not uploading.....
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on September 18, 2013, 02:26:24 PM
So one question I have is:  all of the parts of this bike have rust on them.  I might not have time to start stripping and fixing these parts – is there anything I can do to stop the rusting between now and when I start the restore?

Also, found another gas tank (called reservoirs) on leboncoin.fr, so they are out there.   I am also missing the gear box, I believe.....

Thanks! Joe
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on September 18, 2013, 10:36:19 PM
Spray everything with something like WD40 until your ready to start. Start with something small like the carby. Arm your self with some small brushes and cleaners and take photos as you pull it apart. The seat will have to be done by a motor trimmer, maybe your frame will need to be sand/bead blasted and can then be painted and set on a stand or old table and as you then restore pieces they can be fitted. I find that once the frame is painted the restore is easy from then on. Have fun.  :D
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on September 19, 2013, 03:17:01 AM
Murdo,

Thanks, the wd40 makes perfect sense - I wonder if it comes in 5 gallon containers.....

One additional question for you or the group: the numbers on my engine don't match the numbers on the frame. Does that mean anything? I know in the world of cars having matching numbers is a big deal - is it the case with these motorcycles as well?

Thanks!
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on September 19, 2013, 04:37:44 AM
Re engine numbers; I don't know about the Terrot, but even a lot of modern bikes the numbers don't match. Don't be too concerned about matching number unless you want to sell it for big bucks.
Some bikes with Villiers engines will never match as the engine manufacturer had their own numbering system, then the bike assembler had their own.
Don't fret and enjoy your bike.  :D
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: chaterlea25 on September 19, 2013, 06:24:17 PM
Hi Joe
Quote
I am also missing the gear box, I believe.....

The gearbox is in the engine unit

HTH
John
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: Bomber on September 19, 2013, 08:14:30 PM
Sniggers... sorry :0

Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on September 19, 2013, 09:38:16 PM
DUH.  Obviously I don't know all the part names!  The part I was referring to is an oval shaped component that sits behind the engine and under the frame.

Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: R on September 19, 2013, 11:19:14 PM
Oil tank / toolbox / battery box ?

You'd probably need to see one close up and personal to know if that is one component, or separate ones that all bolt together or link together somehow ?

Any chance of tracking down the one(s) originally on your bike ?
Original is always best....
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on September 20, 2013, 07:08:50 PM
I won't be able to track down the original one, but once I find out the part name I'll look on leboncoin in France.

By the way, I just bought a 12oz spray can of WD40 for $4.49 (referring to a previous post).  Time to start spraying....
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on September 24, 2013, 06:04:22 PM
Has anyone bought parts through the site leboncion.fr ?

They have many parts listed on the site, but everytime I send an inquiry I get no response.  Can't figure out what I am doing wrong....

p.s. I need a gas tank (resevoir) and there are a number of them on that site, but no one returns my emails! aaarrrrggghhhhh so close yet so far :)

Thanks!
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on September 28, 2013, 03:07:06 PM
Here are the wheels.....
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on October 27, 2013, 06:48:53 PM
Somewhat exciting news -

I called the person in France who placed this ad for a gas tank:

http://www.leboncoin.fr/annonces/offres/centre/occasions/?f=a&th=1&q=terrot&it=1 (http://www.leboncoin.fr/annonces/offres/centre/occasions/?f=a&th=1&q=terrot&it=1)

He doesn't speak english and I don't speak french! Yikes. But he seemed to know what I was talking about (Terrot Reservior!)  Luckily there is a person at work who sits next to me who is fluent in french, so maybe I can trade a lunch for her assistance.

I am SOOOO close to getting this I can't stand it.......
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on October 30, 2013, 05:07:57 AM
Good work Joe, one step closer.  ;)
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: Jean-luc on November 10, 2013, 01:02:58 PM
Hello Joe,

May I help you ?

You know must of the people selling vintage motorcycle parts on leboncoin are very often quite old.
That's why most of them are not speaking English.

So, first of all, have a look here : http://terrot.club.pyreneen.free.fr/
You should find documents for your motorcycle (part numbers, notice, ...)

Then, come to see us .. http://terrot.org/forum/
Most of the guys are speaking English and we have some 125 "specialists".
I don't ask you to leave this forum !!!  :D

You can also find new parts here:

http://www.chambrier.com/Fichiers/bienvenue.htm

http://www.macadam2roues.com/

http://www.retro-motos-pieces.fr/

http://boyermotoretro.com/

Then, if you want me to contact someone or translate, there is no problem, it will be a pleasure.
Just send me an e-mail : jean-luc(at)500rgas.info

Regards  ;)



Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: Jean-luc on November 10, 2013, 01:13:59 PM
It's a bit expensive, but this one is brand new !!
http://www.macadam2roues.com/fr/fiche_produit.php?idprod=1045&idfamille=263&idrayon=12

This one seems to be in good condition : http://www.leboncoin.fr/equipement_moto/506611461.htm?ca=22_s
Cleaned, Restom treatment inside and would be ok.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on November 11, 2013, 03:14:10 AM
Jean-Luc,

Thank you SO much!!!  All the information you sent is GREAT.  I have looked at some of the links you sent - I will probably join the Terrot club.

This is amazing - the link you sent below is the person in France I called and we couldn't understand each other ! :)  I will send you an email to the address you gave me.  This is the gas tank I have been trying to purchase!

This one seems to be in good condition : http://www.leboncoin.fr/equipement_moto/506611461.htm?ca=22_s
Cleaned, Restom treatment inside and would be ok.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on November 11, 2013, 03:17:42 AM
Here is a picture of the frame and wheels of my "Le Petite Terrot"!  And that is all the french I know.

I have a good amount of work ahead of me, don't I?

The front forks work (they move up and down) and the seat suspensi
on also works. I think the odometer has about 7898 miles on it (or probably kilometers)

Thanks, Joe
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on November 24, 2013, 02:09:36 AM
Hello!

A few minor updates.  When I took the frame out from the porch, I noticed that both the front shocks and the shock underneath the seat are working, so that is good news.

The not so good news is that I was looking at an old owner's manual online (a pdf) that listed all the parts and numbers.  I don't have any of the nuts and bolts that holds all the parts in place! Yikes.

Looking for suggestions: what do people suggest when stripping the parts of paint and rust? Should I use media blasting (plastic, soda, etc), aircraft paint stripper and then a sander/grinder?  Will probably start in the spring - I need the winter to figure out all the parts I don't have!

Til next time, "keep dreaming of the restored bike running!" Joe
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on November 24, 2013, 02:28:15 AM
One other post/picture.  Isn't this cool?  This, I believe is the *original* license plate for the Terrot, registered in Massachusetts in 1953.  I realized I had it stored away.  Not bad shape either - a bit of a dent in the bottom right.  Maybe if I have time this winter I will contact the department of motor vehicles and see what they have for records about this.

BTW - I missed out on the gas tank that was for sale. But there seem to be new ones posted relatively frequently. Will keep trying.
Joe

Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on December 04, 2013, 09:07:39 PM
well, I have an update......

Seems like Jean-Luc as come to my rescue and I may end up with this gas tank:

http://www.leboncoin.fr/equipement_moto/545800278.htm?ca=2_s

Also, working on trying to buy this:

http://www.leboncoin.fr/equipement_moto/567066069.htm

The last major part I need this the oil filter/tool box so I am hunting that down. Plus I need all the nuts, bolts and screws to hold this all together....

Thanks for the encouragement! Joe
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on December 20, 2013, 08:06:22 AM
So how is the part searching going, Joe?
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on December 23, 2013, 01:53:24 PM
Hi Murdo,

I have been meaning to provide an update, thanks for prompting me to do so.

I have purchased the gas tank and the gas cap, waiting on delivery of these items!  I will post a picture once I receive them. So that is a MAJOR component I needed and thanks to Jean-Luc I should receive them soon.  Some parts of the search are frustrating - I think because I don't have an address in France I can't completely use Leboncoin, plus not speaking french makes matters a bit worse. But I have been looking on french ebay as well.  My wife is buying me the tank and cap for xmas!!

I have been finding a lot of ETD parts, ETM less so - mine is an ETM.  I need the oil filter/tool box and battery holder, so I am keeping an eye out for those.  I also need all the nuts, bolts and screws that will hold everything together.  I decided I will probably purchase a reproduction set of handle bars, as mine are so rusty it will cost me a fortune to get rechromed.  I also need to find a new/used crash bar as mine is very rusty as well.  I wanted to keep this as original as possible, but am weighing the costs of doing so.

I will probably take a small metal part of the bike and work on stripping, sanding, repairing and base coating the part.  This will give me an idea of what I am doing and the work involved.

I have been talking with a couple of places that do rechroming and have been searching the internet for "metal repair" information.

I think that is it for now - will post when I receive the gas tank - a 35 year wait will be over :)  Joe
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on December 24, 2013, 11:50:13 PM
Sounds good progress Joe. I have found the cost of re chroming a set of bars is usually about twice the price of a new set, plus they are not internally rusted or metal fatigued from 40+ years of use. Good idea to start on the small bits to see what you need to do before tackling the big bits.  :)
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on January 03, 2014, 12:08:01 AM
Hi Murdo,

Thanks for the information about rechroming. I spoke with a couple of different people about rechroming - one was too expensive, the other won't be in business until March or April, so I will check back with him. 

I think I will start with stripping the muffler.  To keep costs down I will probably strip the paint myself and sand, etc.  I will post before and after pictures.  That is my goal for 2014!
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on January 06, 2014, 09:51:55 PM
I realized the picture of the Terrot license plate was never uploaded, sorry about that....
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on February 08, 2014, 03:34:41 AM
Well, I have found a "rust removal" product that I am going to try - it is called "Evapo-Rust" here in the states.  There have been a lot of positive reviews, so I figured I will give it a try.

I am going to try it on my muffler, both the pipe and the muffler itself.  I will post before and after pictures and you all can be the judge!

I go to bed thinking about putting my motorcycle together..... :)

Joe
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: R on February 09, 2014, 10:22:33 PM
I'm not sure what evapo rust is, but this is phos acid rust convertor will do for a chrome muffler.
And some stainless steel wool, to work it in.
(Phosphoric acid is one of the active ingredients in CocaCola.
What not exactly harmless in strong concentration, is not so vicious either).

"Try on an inconspicuous area first, to check that it doesn't scratch the chrome, or react badly"

Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on February 10, 2014, 03:29:48 AM
Hi, might be worth a try as well.

Is Phosphoric acid sold simply as "Phosphoric acid" or under a brand name?
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: R on February 11, 2014, 10:35:15 PM
My local auto parts store has it as rust convertor.
50 % is as strong as you can get it ?
There are weaker colored versions, buy the strong clear stuff.

That Evapo rust gets good reviews - wonder what it is ?
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on February 13, 2014, 05:41:59 PM
I just bought a gallon of Evapo Rust and didn't even look at the ingredients....will do so tonight and let you know.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on February 20, 2014, 01:55:30 AM
I looked at the bottle of Evapo Rust and couldn't find what it is made of anywhere on the bottle!
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on March 16, 2014, 09:09:44 PM
Hi,

Well I finally shook all the "debris" out of my muffler and thought I'd show you what was in it.  A lot of nuts, acorns and not sure what else.  Some mice had a lovely home - rent free!
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on April 18, 2014, 04:43:47 PM
Hello Everyone,

I am trying to identify the part in this photo. Is it a Terrot part? What part is it.  It was in the "basket" of parts that I have and I can't find it in any documentation. It is (was) painted black like the other parts.

Any thoughts? Thanks, Joe Joyce, Boston MA
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on April 19, 2014, 09:56:25 AM
Could it be a battery holder?
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on May 20, 2014, 02:56:10 AM
Hi Murdo,

Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you.  I originally thought the same that it was a battery holder, but I have seen Terrot battery holders and they don't look like the part in the picture.  And I can't find a part that shape in all the Terrot documents I have looked through.

Maybe it isn't Terrot related at all, but it does have the same black paint.....
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on May 20, 2014, 09:51:46 AM
Lots of things had black paint on them.
Could it be a tool box holder?
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on May 20, 2014, 09:27:21 PM
Good point - it could be.

The thing that has me puzzled is on both ends of the part the metal is shaped like it would fit against the tubes on the frame.....

So far I have tracked down a gas cap and a battery holder - actually Jean-luc is helping me and has been a savior in interaction with sellers.  Still looking for a gas tank and oil tank/tool box.  Will post pictures as these parts come in.

Lastly, I have about 4 gallons (not sure how many liters) of Evapo Rust and will use it on the muffler and muffler pipe soon.......

Slow progess, but some is better than none, right?
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on July 19, 2014, 07:18:19 AM
Haven't heard from you for a while Joe, how you getting on?
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on August 25, 2014, 11:34:51 PM
Hi Murdo,

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I was on vacation and didn't check this site until now.

Progress is slow.  I do have 5 gallons of the EvapoRust and am going to tackle the muffler and exhaust pipe.  I haven't been able to focus on it to much, because I figure I need to sand the muffler, soak it, get it down to bare metal and at least put on a primer coat, so I have been too busy to coordinate all of that!  But I hope to soon.

A parts update - Jean-luc has succeeded in finding me a gas cap, battery holder and an oil tank/tool box and he'll send those to me in September.  Still looking for a gas tank, so if anyone has any leads on a good one let me know :)

I'll keep you posted and thank you for asking.

Joe
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on August 26, 2014, 06:15:25 AM
Good work Joe, look forward to seeing the finished bike.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on September 18, 2014, 02:10:11 AM
Hello,

Here is a picture I took of an oil tank/tool box and battery holder I just received!! Jean-luc hunted these down for me! Both are in good shape, but need to be restored.

Progress!

Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on November 17, 2014, 11:45:22 PM
Well, the restoration has begun!! 

I decided to "de-rust" 2 small parts that will need to be rechromed. One I believe is a foot rest and it is rusted and doesn't move.  I put these in Evapo-Rust on Sunday evening ( Nov 16 around 7pm) and I checked them tonight (24 hours later) and a lot of the rust is off and it is down to bare metal!!

Here are some photos......

Joe
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on November 17, 2014, 11:47:41 PM
The middle picture is of the bathing beauties.....the last picture is the stuff I am using...

I will probably take them out tomorrow and put a chemical paint stripper on the chrome to get it off and then put them back in the bucket for a day....

Very exciting!

Even though I am still looking for parts, I have at least started!
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on November 18, 2014, 06:16:24 AM
Good work on your gear lever and kick start lever there Joe.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on December 17, 2014, 01:42:36 AM
Hello!

I haven't been able to post any pictures recently, but have taken a number of parts off and have been soaking them. A couple of parts are too pitted from rust to use, so I will have to find replacements :(

I have a question for anyone with an opinion. Do you think the parts on this bike would fit on my 1953 ETM?

http://www.leboncoin.fr/equipement_moto/745753318.htm?ca=7_s

I do not know how similar the models are....

So far I have taken apart the headlight, removed the handle bars and removed the engine protector parts.

Making progress.....

Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on December 31, 2014, 08:49:08 PM
Happy New Year to All!!!

I made some good progress on my bike in the last 2-3 months. Have taken many of the parts off (headlight, handle bars, seat) and have soaked a number of parts in Evapo-Rust; the results are very encouraging.  I'll post some before and after pictures.  It is amazing to see these parts stripped down to the bare metal.

I also was able to buy an oil tank/tool box, battery holder and front fender, all in very good condition.

In 2015 I hope to de-rust my frame, strip the paint, sand and get a coat of primer on it. I would also like to de-rust the wheels.  An aggressive "hope" list, but I think I can do it.

Thanks for all your support this year!!!!!

I'll try to post some pictures tomorrow to start the new year off right :)

Joe



Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on January 04, 2015, 03:35:31 AM
Hi,

Here are some 'before' and 'after' pictures.  Before I soaked them in the rust remover and then after.  I still need to sand and prime the parts, but that will be in the spring and summer.....

Amazing how some of these parts went from rusty to bare metal!

Enjoy!
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on January 04, 2015, 03:43:23 AM
Here is the chain guard.....before it is pretty rust and then the bare metal is where the rust was...
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on January 04, 2015, 03:49:10 AM
Does anyone know how I remove the seat from the frame?  I can not figure it out.

The second photo is a bit blurry (sorry!)

Thanks!

Joe
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on January 04, 2015, 03:52:04 AM
Looking good Joe, keep up the good work.
The seat needs the pin (broken off bolt?) removed from the middle of the boomerang shaped plate.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on January 04, 2015, 03:57:18 PM
Hi Murdo,

Thanks for the encouragement!  I posted the same question on terrot.org and you are right, the bolt needs to be removed.  Somehow it was sheared off some time in the past :(

Any idea on how I can remove it?

Thanks!

Joe Joyce
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on January 04, 2015, 10:02:56 PM
Large hammer and a pin punch maybe.
 If it is rusted solid you will just have to drill it out and buy a new bolt.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on January 14, 2015, 03:41:41 AM
Ever since I got this bike back in (yikes!) 1977 I have told people "I only need a gas tank, just a gas tank!"  Well it ended many more parts than just a gas tank. So after 37 years or so of talking about it and the last 2 years looking for one, I FINALLY found one and it arrived from France today. What a lovely present to come home to!

Isn't it beautiful?

Thanks for all your encouragement, especially you Murdo :)
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on January 14, 2015, 03:43:36 AM
Here's another.....
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on January 14, 2015, 03:44:12 AM
Gotta post them all.....
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on January 14, 2015, 03:45:24 AM
One more....

I do plan on stripping the paint off and the decal or paint that is on the chrome parts, but that is a summer project.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on January 14, 2015, 03:47:39 AM
Wow, nice find there Joe.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: R on January 14, 2015, 04:50:29 AM
I do plan on stripping the paint off and the decal or paint that is on the chrome parts, but that is a summer project.

Wow. We think you should give that tank a good polish, and then use it and ride it as is.
And tell folks its "an original paint tank".

And leave the 'summer project' for when it really needs it - in about 20 years !
Assuming its clean enough inside, of course.
Is that paint scheme how it should have been, or someone added those stripes ?
Cheers.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: cardan on January 14, 2015, 09:59:55 AM

Gorgeous! The colours and style are very 'art deco'. I have some 1930s novels that use the same silver/black/red combination on their dust jackets as well as very angular fonts. Very cool. The Terrot tank has the extra "machine age" element of the chrome strip with cut-out lettering.

By the 1950s the style was on the wane, but it looks great here. I doubt the tank is "first paint", but it looks good to me as is. It will look equally good with a repaint, so please yourself.

Enjoy!

Leon
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on January 14, 2015, 03:49:13 PM
Hi,

I believe someone added those stripes as I have never seen that before plus when I run my fingers over the paint I can feel the ridges.  Interesting too that when I take the gas cap off I can definitely smell gas fumes.

It is from a 1952 EDS, but I was told from an independent person (meaning not the seller) that it would fit my 1953 ETM.  Fingers crossed that it does!

My birthday is on the 21st of this month, so I think it is an excellent present.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: cardan on January 14, 2015, 10:24:57 PM
Hi Joe,

I love the way you're enjoying the chase and the challenges of restoration. You should at least consider simplifying your task by using the tank as-is, at least initially. Clean out the inside, polish up the outside, and enjoy the ride.

Here's the book I was speaking of. 1936 and about as art deco as you can get; unless you have the funky Terrot tank!

Cheers

Leon
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: R on January 14, 2015, 10:40:50 PM
I believe someone added those stripes as I have never seen that before plus when I run my fingers over the paint I can feel the ridges. 

Is that ridges from the stripes, or just on the general tank ?
My older bikes all have stripes that can be felt - mirror smooth finishes and clearcoat hadn't been invented yet !
Ridges in the general tank paint may need a bit of polishing (and sanding out) out and even touching up.

Whatever, redoing that tank should be the last thing you do to your bike. ?
When everything looks better than it does.....
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on January 15, 2015, 12:42:56 AM
Hi,

I love the book, great cover - I do see what you are saying about the art deco styling, I style I really like.

Good points about leaving the tank until the end; there are some many other parts that need attending to that I believe that is a good suggestion.  Unfortunately the bike is all apart and I still need the nuts and bolts to hold it all together!

The seller said that the tank was repainted, though I do not think he did it. But now that I have the tank, it is the now the least of my worries.  Once I can get the seat frame off the frame (a challenge) I plan on using electrolysis during the summer to de-rust the whole frame at once.  I will try to post some before and after pictures of the parts I have de-rusted so far - pretty impressive results.

Thanks for your support and encouragement. At least I know I am not crazy for pursuing this - or maybe we are all crazy?
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: cardan on January 15, 2015, 04:30:50 AM

Hi Joe,

Yes we are all mad. But pleasantly mad I like to think.

To remove the seat you will have to drill the broken bolt/stud out. This can be done very successfully with a hand-held drill. File one end of the bolt flat. Use a centre punch to mark the exact centre of the bolt. (Do a light pop first, so that if you miss the centre you can squidge the pop mark to one side with a couple more light taps.) You can tell if it's in the centre by eye. Make sure the other side of the bolt is supported so that the bolt is vertical. Carefully drill through the centre of the bolt with a 1/4"/6mm drill - depending on skill and luck it will come out the other side still on centre. Increase the drill size in 1/64" (or maybe 0.5/1mm) steps until you start to break through outer casing of the bolt. At this point there will be only a thin shell left that can be crushed and pulled out. Very satisfying when it works, but don't be discouraged if your attempts are a bit rough! Nothing here that can't be fixed with an oversized pivot pin.

Leon

Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on January 15, 2015, 07:44:03 AM
Very good advice from Cardan. Give it a try Joe and see how you go.
We are all maybe a little mad for taking on these sort of projects, but it is much better than spending all day in the pub and having nothing to show for it other than a headache.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: chaterlea25 on January 15, 2015, 06:58:18 PM
HI Joe,
Theres a 55 for sale on Ebay, the photos may help in identifying parts you need or where parts you have fit !!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1955-Terrot-125-ETDS-vintage-motorbike-project-bobber-cafe-racer/221648648467?_trksid=p2060778.c100276.m3476&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D28722%26meid%3D2c36daaf17224573b85743a8ea53edff%26pid%3D100276%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D181634768681

HTH
John
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on January 15, 2015, 08:41:12 PM
This weekend I will give one last try to bang out the bolt on the seat frame. If not I will proceed to drilling it out as Cardan suggested. Of course I'll keep you posted!

I will take a look at the 55 that's forsale and check it out.

Thanks for the suggestions!
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: cardan on January 15, 2015, 09:49:20 PM

Joe,

From experience, it would be a miracle if you could bang the seat pivot out. If it was a bolt, with the head twisted off, it's possibly threaded into the other side of the seat frame anyway. If you've tried already banging, I wouldn't bother again. But if you insist start dousing it in you favourite penetrant (eucalyptus oil is a left-field candidate, but google will give you 100 others) then use a torch (I use a small gas torch that burns MAP gas) to heat the lug before you try again.

That said, it won't work. Drill it out, or get someone to drill it out for you. Hitting things with big hammers will always lead to the "now why did I do that?" moment. Avoid.

Leon
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on January 15, 2015, 11:05:20 PM
Fair enough.  But a follow up question: the bolt is probably 1/4" in diameter and you mentioned to drill it out with a 1/4" bit. Is that the correct size to use? I was thinking (before you wrote) that I would use a smaller bit and that would "loosen" it up? Or does it not work that way?
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: cardan on January 16, 2015, 01:08:19 AM

Don't start too small as the last thing you want is a broken off drill. Maybe start with 3/16.

Leon
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on January 16, 2015, 01:20:05 AM
Ok.  I hope to try it over the weekend. One thing I can't figure out is who and why someone would have sheeted these nuts off to begin with. Probably the same person who cut the front fender in half and 4" of the back fender.......
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on February 07, 2015, 04:20:37 PM
Hello!

To all the mad restorers on this site I thought I'd post a few "before and after" pictures of some parts - this is before I put the parts in the rust remover and after.  The true before and after will be when the parts are painted, but not ready for that yet......
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: mick66 on February 07, 2015, 04:23:52 PM
Hi Joe
We spoke about a year or two ago when you got your bike, looks like you have progressed with your Terrot, haven,t had chance to have a go at mine but will let you know when I do.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on February 07, 2015, 04:24:59 PM
It is a bit hard to see the detail of the parts before having the rust removed....but maybe this one is better...

BTW - everyday I walk out to the front porch and look at the gas tank! Tickled, just tickled I have it....
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on February 07, 2015, 04:28:15 PM
Hi Mick66,

Yes please let me know when you start on yours.  I am totally new to this, but have found that a few minutes here and there have gotten me pretty far along (pretty far compared to the bike sitting for 35 years!).  All in good time, right?

I have been very pleasantly surprised that the rust has come off using Evapo Rust.  I'll have to post a pic of the headlight, that was stunning to me.

Anyway, thanks for writing!
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on February 10, 2015, 04:32:39 PM
A few more before and after photos. In the first photo, notice the headlight and how rusty it is; the next pics are after the de-rust soaking....
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on February 10, 2015, 08:27:18 PM
Good stuff Joe.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on March 07, 2015, 11:10:14 PM
What is one to do on a very cold day in March when there is 4 feet of snow on the ground in Boston MA?  Sort of a "test fit" with some of the parts!
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on May 07, 2015, 02:51:11 AM
Well I just bought a 5 gallon container of Evapo Rust stuff - the stuff that has resulted in many rust free parts.  I plan to soak them again (the smaller parts) and then continue restoring each part.  So many parts!

I also bought a crock pot (a slow cooker) because I saw some place if you put painted metal parts in with a bunch of water and roast it all day the paint comes right off!  Won't that be a hoot? "I have to get home to check on my headlight casing, it has been cooking all day!!!"

Lastly I am on the hunt for a 100 gallon rubbermaid water trough for the bike frame (including fork). I plan on using electrolysis on the frame - filling the tub with water, adding baking powder I believe, submerging it and then running battery charger current through the water.  Supposed to take off rust!

Anyway, glad the good weather is here and I can continue. Hope everyone is well! Joe
 
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: R on May 07, 2015, 03:42:38 AM
A possibly quicker way to remove old paint off steel parts is to hot-tub it in caustic soda solution
(sodium hydroxide)(drain cleaner).(NaOH).

I have a small plastic drum of it mixed up, and just boil it in an old electric kettle and then pour it into an old steel drum with the part in there. The old paint often sloughs right off.

Watch that hot caustic is - hot caustic !!
It will eat skin, flesh, clothes, eyes and low flying aircraft if it comes in contact.
So old clothes, safety glasses and gloves are not just a good idea...
Watch that alloy parts and hot caustic are deadly enemies too, so keep aluminium well away.
Hot tubbing is how the iron engine reconditioners clean up old engines.
Dissolves grease and oil too, although these are best gone before you begin.

Watch too that when you add the dry caustic into (cold) water, it can spit back,
so stay well clear. And into hot water is a no no, can be quite violent.

Hopethishelps,andasalways,takecare
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on May 14, 2015, 12:32:19 AM
Hi R,

hmmmm, that method sounds quick, but also very dangerous!  I would like to live to see my bike restored and I'm not sure I would if I use the method you mention :)

I'll keep you posted about the crock pot usage and if I find a 100 gallon water trough....
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: R on May 14, 2015, 06:35:43 AM
No more dangerous than putting drain cleaner down the drain.
I did feel obligated to point out the hazards, in case anyone did anything silly....
It is great for quickly removing paint from small parts especially,
although you have to rinse off and derust and clean and polish and paint fairly quickly.

Sandblasting is good for frames, no getting liquids inside where you can't see them ?
The finer the sand the better.
Tape off or mask any threads or holes where sand shouldn't be.

Have fun, whatever...
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on October 02, 2015, 02:38:49 AM
Well I haven't made much progress over the summer here in boston - too many other things going on.  BUT, having said that, I am considering having the frame sand blasted by a reputable person.  Ideally I'd like to strip it myself, but also want to get it done before the next 10 years. So I will keep you posted.

I am however, ready to soak the wheels in my favorite product, evapo rust.  I just have to buy a plastic trash can that is 20 inches in diameter in order to fit the wheels in, one at a time.  Will try to get that done in October.

Hope everyone is doing well!

Joe
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on October 02, 2015, 10:05:07 AM
Good to know you're still continuing Joe.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on October 02, 2015, 05:50:43 PM
Thanks Murdo.  One of my goals for this year was to get the frame stripped and at least primed.  I am running out of good weather to paint, so have to get this done.  i just have to remove the front forks (which i can strip on my own).  The wheels will be a bonus.

I'll (hopefully) post before and after pictures.....
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on October 09, 2015, 11:11:39 AM
So I did buy a big trash bucket (the inside base measures about 20 inches) so that I can soak the wheels in evapo rust.  Hope to do at least one of them this weekend (Oct 10-12).  I just have to get the very old and dry rotted tires off!  Will post some before/after pictures in the next few days.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on October 09, 2015, 09:23:37 PM
I've had tyres like that that I cut off with a hacksaw. Good luck with them.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on October 09, 2015, 10:58:35 PM
Interesting that you say that.  I have been trying to figure out how to get them off - not as simple as bicycle tires!
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on October 10, 2015, 12:07:45 AM
Not when they have 'grown' to the rims. If you get really stuck, very carefully with a small angle grinder, but don't touch the rims.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on November 21, 2015, 11:36:00 PM
Hello,

I have made some progress on the wheels, mainly extracted the tires off the rims and soaked both front and back rims in Evapo rust.  Not sure if the pictures do the rust removal justice, but they look ALOT better.  Still, each wheel is a project itself.  The front has some holes in the rims that I hope Bondo or some epoxy will fill.

This picture is the front wheel after the tire was removed, but before the rust removal.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on November 21, 2015, 11:36:47 PM
Another front wheel before rust removal.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on November 21, 2015, 11:37:31 PM
Now, after a 4 day bath in EvapoRust......
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on November 21, 2015, 11:40:10 PM
Another....
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on November 21, 2015, 11:41:06 PM
Now the back wheel before rust removal....
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on November 21, 2015, 11:41:40 PM
Another of the before condition....
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on November 21, 2015, 11:42:23 PM
Rear wheel after rust removal....
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on November 21, 2015, 11:42:58 PM
One more after....
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on November 21, 2015, 11:46:26 PM
Phew. Not bad for a weeks work, eh?  Now the tough part will be restoring them so they actually function, though that is a bit down the road from now.  Any idea how I keep track of the pattern of the spokes?

Still trying to get the front fork off the frame...the main bolt is quite stuck. It took me about 5 trips to the hardware store to find the right size rachet - 1 and 3/16 (inches).
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on November 22, 2015, 07:42:32 AM
I wouldn't be even thinking about putting filler of some kind in those rims if your thinking of riding the finished bike. Rims flex as they turn and your filler would soon fall out anyway. New rims are not very dear, but are a whole lot safer. Measure the diameter of the rim, it's width, the number and diameter of the spokes, how many other spokes they cross and the hub diameter. This should give you all the measurements you need to scource new rims.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: iansoady on November 22, 2015, 11:09:03 AM
TBH I wouldn't even consider filling that rim. It looks so weak it'll just collapse when you get some weight on it.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on November 22, 2015, 02:03:25 PM
hmmm....good advice. I wasn't sure how structurally safe it would be, so you have confirmed my fears.  Too bad because I want to keep the bike as original as possible.  I don't plan on riding it, but it should at least be safe, good point.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: mark2 on November 22, 2015, 04:20:53 PM
they do look a bit poor I have to say , I understand you not wanting to re rim as when finished whats the bike worth ?
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: iansoady on November 22, 2015, 04:33:51 PM
I suppose if you just want it as an ornament it's OK. It's very easy to spend far more on a restoration than the bike will ever be worth, especially with a lightweight. Rims and spokes are going to be the thick end of £300 even if you build them yourself.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on November 22, 2015, 07:38:59 PM
I agree they are a bit pitted and in rough condition.  I was going to sand them a bit and see what I have. And yes, the restoration can cost much more than I will ever get for the bike.  My plan was that it would be oramental; would get it in running condition, but the restoration of it to a good condition is my goal.  Maybe I can find a wheel on ebay.fr or leboncoin that won't be so bad. I guess time will tell as I have many other parts to retore before I get to those.

Thanks for the advice - always welcome.  The next bike I restore won't be a basket case from a cellar!! 
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on November 22, 2015, 08:17:37 PM
Didn't want to put you off Joe, but want to be safe.
If your only going to make a show piece then filler will be fine.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on November 23, 2015, 12:29:40 AM
Thanks.  Any advice is worthwhile to me, whether you think it is good or bad.  I am a total novice at this so I look to the group for advice.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: R on November 23, 2015, 04:13:02 AM
Its a bit hard to see how bad that rim is, but pitted steel rims are still a lot stronger than new alloy rims are,
and they survive well enough. Especially on a lightweight.

Rim probably needs sandblasting, so you can see exactly how much good steel is left.
Any holes right through the rim are probably beyond redemption, although I have seen someone mig up a few stray deep pits.
It really depends on how bad they are.

If the rim needs replacing, note especially the spacing and angle of drilling of the spoke holes.
That determines if a replacement will fit or not.
A lot of smaller trailbike rims will seemingly fit almost anything - note if they are 32, 36 or 40 spokes though !
hth.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: iansoady on November 24, 2015, 10:17:54 AM
The only problem with filling it to use as an ornament is that one day it will pass on to someone else who may well be unaware of what has been done, and take it for a ride with predictable consequences......
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on November 25, 2015, 01:47:17 AM
HI,

I agree and have come to the same conclusion.  I was looking at the wheel yesterday and there are a series of holes along parts of it and it does seem like it is not structurally sound.  Time to look for a new wheel!  One good thing about the evapo rust is that it does remove rust so one gets to see the bare metal, good or bad....
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on December 31, 2015, 02:01:03 AM
Hello!

Wishing everyone a Happy New Year!!  I hope 2016 is safe and healthy for everyone.  Thanks for the advice and encouragement this year; my goal for 2016 is to get the frame stripped and primed and to make some progress on priming some of the parts. Hope springs eternal!

Joe
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on December 31, 2015, 08:05:08 AM
And to you to Joe.
Keep at it, it will be worth it in the end.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: peterfeets on April 07, 2016, 09:23:10 AM
hi,for terror parts,check out,2dehand.be or 2dehand.nl or MARKTplaats.nl .these are second sites in holland and belgium,belgium has a lot of terrot bikes,and everyone speaks english.good luck peter.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: peterfeets on April 07, 2016, 09:41:54 AM
hi,for terror parts,check out,2dehand.be or 2dehand.nl or MARKTplaats.nl .these are second sites in holland and belgium,belgium has a lot of terrot bikes,and everyone speaks english.good luck peter.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on April 12, 2016, 02:52:56 AM
Hi,

Thank you very much for the advice - I will check them out.  I am actually going to Amsterdam in May, oooohhhhh very tempting to try and track down one of these places!!

I did make a bit of progress yesterday on the frame.  The front fork bolts were immoveable for a long time - try as I might I could not get them to turn.  Well, for about 4 months I sprayed them with WD40 every other day and just let the stuff sit.  Yesterday I turned the frame over and with a rachett I was able to loosen one of the stuck bolts! Oh yeah!!  The other two bolts need a different size rachett, but I will look into getting one soon and will give an update.  One I have the forks off I will bring the frame into get media blasted.  Can't wait.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on May 08, 2016, 02:48:09 AM
So I have run into a bit of a problem and could use advice. I got 2 of 3 bolts off that attach the fork to the frame but the 3rd one is stuff.  The racket keeps slipping off and the wrench does the same. The identical bolt on the other side came off, but this one won't budge.

Any advice on loosening up this third bolt?  So close but yet so far!

Thansk, Joe
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on May 08, 2016, 08:21:10 AM
I would try heating the area around the bolt with a gas torch or blowlamp and give it another go while hot.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: Rex on May 08, 2016, 01:11:21 PM
+1 for heat, preferably oxy acetylene.
Don't use WD40 though, it has it's uses as a lubricant but is pure crap at a release agent. PlusGas is far better, though there are others as good on the market now.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on May 08, 2016, 04:25:26 PM
Hi,

Thanks.  I need a bit of clarification as I haven't used heat previously.  Oxy Acetylene - what is that?  PlusGas - is that something I use in place of WD40 or with the heat?  This whole restoration process is opening up areas I know nothing about - that is a good thing!

Thanks again.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: R on May 08, 2016, 11:08:29 PM
An oxy acetylene torch is a gas flame - mild or seriously hot, depending on settings.
I've removed quite a few stubborn or mangled bolts, that otherwise wouldn't budge, with a bit of heat.
If they get red hot for a moment, it usually frees them right off, no damage to anything or anyone...

A little gas flame from a propane etc torch may do the same job, I'd think that is the other one mentioned. May not be hot enough to get a red heat on the bolt though ?
hopethishelps.
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on May 08, 2016, 11:43:34 PM
Oxy Actetylene is gases (as in not petrol) in two bottles that is used for welding of metals. You will find these in most engineering shops.
The propane torch is used with gases from a BBQ bottle, and can get quite hot if used with a large hand held torch on a high setting.
I have found the best rust release agent to be a product called 'Rost-off' made by the German Wurth company and available from engineering/automotive supply shops.
Glad to know you're learning Joe.  ;)
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: JoeJ on November 22, 2016, 03:02:22 AM
Well as we are coming into the winter here in Boston Massachusetts USA, I am a bit disheartened to say I have not made much progress with my dear ETM. As mentioned previously I am stuck with having removed one bolt of the front fork, but the other is stuck and I've had too much house projects going on to focus on it.  But I do go to bed each night thinking about the restoration, so I hope that counts for something......

I shouldn't think of the "next" bike to restore when this one is no where near finished, but I am drooling at the thought of restoring a flat tank Terrot.....

Hope everyone is well and thank you for the advice, I will and have put it to good use!
Title: Re: 1953 Terrot 125cc
Post by: murdo on November 22, 2016, 05:45:39 AM
Good to hear from you again Joe. Keep at it and you will get there.