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Title: Mystery front wheel?
Post by: rogerwilko on August 02, 2013, 12:58:51 AM
Any pre-war nut here able to identify this heavy spoked 7 inch hubbed front wheel with provision for speedo drive? Thinking It has to be a big british v-twin considering the spoke thickness and rim size. Some poor sod probably needs it. Douglas.  (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg3/takka22/001_zps4ccba6a9.jpg) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/takka22/media/001_zps4ccba6a9.jpg.html)
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Post by: JFerg on August 02, 2013, 07:14:31 AM
Never seen a front wheel with a rim lock on it before.  That's a bit serious.

JFerg
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Post by: wetdog on August 02, 2013, 07:34:18 AM
the shape of the brake plate edge looks very BSA
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Post by: Kuutiopää on August 02, 2013, 12:46:34 PM
Hi,

It looks very much like a Harwil wheel, if you scratch some paint off, you may find text Harwil. However it may also be British Hub or a Webb, they all make wheels of that kind. Harwil were used in an Excelsior and Ok Supreme and many others.

Cheers,
Jami
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Post by: wink on August 03, 2013, 05:23:36 PM
The 1/4 hole in the brake plate gutter is a drain, so if the wheel is out of girder forks why is it 1/2way up the back, assuming brake on the offside, brake lever on the right hand, simple cable run. It´s also very heavily built apart the usual wimpy wheel spindle so could it have been from some kind of leading link fork?
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Post by: Rex on August 03, 2013, 05:36:50 PM
I don't reckon that hole is a drain hole, because if it was it would put the anchor in a really strange position. More like there's no shoes on the plate and the brake arm is flapping around loose and been pictured too high up. That hole is probably the lower cable stop mounting, whether from the maker or someone's little mod, who knows?
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Post by: wetdog on August 03, 2013, 07:52:57 PM
lift the b/plate off and show a pic of inside hub and shoe arrangment , is the brake arm a 2 section riveted up unit
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Post by: rogerwilko on August 04, 2013, 01:47:27 AM
If you click on the pic, photobucket comes up and then click the arrows which will take you to other shots of it.
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Post by: wetdog on August 04, 2013, 09:48:44 AM
the way the hub is made up , riveted bearing house looks very much like a bsa hub i have here but the shoes are wider on the one here , so still not sure , my guess is bsa , having said that the ancour is very low , G13 maybe ?

bsa y13 , rocker boxes , carb manifold other odd parts , no heads , can go looking for pre unit triumph parts , very interested in SU carb , anyone interested
Title: Re: Mystery front wheel?
Post by: wink on August 04, 2013, 11:49:10 AM
Rex, I thought cable stop in the hole, trap the nut in the gutter, screw the cable end holder into the nut, if the wheel had been used in forks without a cable stop. Or if little leading links like harley or OEC?
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Post by: wetdog on August 04, 2013, 12:12:31 PM
ive been looking at this wrong I thought the brake arm was on back to front and the cable stop/holder was the round thing with the slot in it , so cable ran down front of forks , the hole in the brake plate rim I have no idea what that's for .
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Post by: john.k on August 08, 2013, 11:10:21 AM
I would say BSA based on the opposed pairs of brake drum spokes that make a  nearly straight line,this is fairly typical of thirties BSA wheels of all sizes.The threaded speedo drive mount is also there in the hub.The other catch is that any 7in brake plate  fits any 7in drum ,and the bits may not belong together.I often did this for swapmeet stock,in the days when old parts were hard to turn into cash.Five bucks for the wheel mate.Nah ,Ill give you fifty cents.How times have changed.Regards John.
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Post by: rogerwilko on August 09, 2013, 01:00:56 AM
Tried a different BSA WM20 brakeplate but doesnt fit over the hub. This brakeplate belongs because it fits neatly over the stepped sleeve on axle. I'll try and find some closeup pictures of Y13 and G14 Beezas.
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Post by: R on August 09, 2013, 01:32:17 AM
Why not just show a shot of the brake shoes.
45 heads are better than one.... ?
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Post by: rogerwilko on August 09, 2013, 07:28:12 AM
As said just click on the picture for more photobucket shots.If I could get a decent picture of a V twin KX royal enfield front brake I might be able to narrow it down. I want to ebay it knowing what it is but would swap for a WM20 front wheel.
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Post by: rogerwilko on August 09, 2013, 07:50:26 AM
If anyone can blow it up then it might be this one?  (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg3/takka22/KGrHqRlQFF8WGKKmqBRhmRDYtWQ60_57_zps9fb83cf3.jpg) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/takka22/media/KGrHqRlQFF8WGKKmqBRhmRDYtWQ60_57_zps9fb83cf3.jpg.html)
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Post by: R on August 09, 2013, 08:31:57 AM
The brake shoes in your wheel do look like 1930s Enfield type.
Don't recognise the 3 bolts around the boss inside the front hub though.
(could be a v-twin only feature though ?).

That Enfield v-twin wheel doesn't have the speedo driven off the front wheel - nor the plug there either.
Definitely some similarity, perhaps another year ?
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Post by: rogerwilko on August 09, 2013, 09:23:44 AM
Good point about speedo drive. This bike also has a Square four Ariel box too so who knows. I also have a rear guard which no one can identify.  (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg3/takka22/001-2.jpg) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/takka22/media/001-2.jpg.html)           The cutaway on the offside i thought might be a tip but to no avail.
Title: Re: Mystery front wheel?
Post by: Calth0 on October 07, 2015, 02:42:26 AM
Just to drag up a super old thread for the sake of having a resolution present, this is indeed a Harwil wheel, used on a number of British bike's throughout the 30's. Attached photo is of a 1932 Calthorpe wheel.


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Post by: 33_Trophy on November 03, 2015, 06:58:23 PM
Hello,
I have a spare Harvil Anchorplate ...