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British Bikes / Re: Coventry Eagle 1932
« on: Today at 02:58:03 AM »
If you want a really good picture of an original manifold, 'The Vintage Motorcyclists' Workshop" by Radco contains a full double page photo of his restoration of the same model. Pages 180 and 181 to be precise. Its a photo of the timing side so gives you a good view of the manifold.
Radco also wrote a fairly extensive article on restoring the engine for the Vintage Motor Cycle Club Journal. This would be back in the late 70's. early 80's as his book was published in 1986 and was mainly a compendium of all the restoration articles he had written for the Journal over the years.
He wasn't complimentary about the engine but I think anyone trying to beat Villiers at their own game back in the early 30's would have had a tough job. In the end Cov Eagle came back to the Villiers fold. They made a better and cheaper product.
All that aside I think looking at 3D printing is the way to go. I've made one batch of inlet manifolds. Made the patterns, got them cast and then machined the result. It is not as simple as it looks. Making a pattern the foundry was happy with was a learning curve in itself but the big pain was making a range of jigs and fixtures to hold the castings so I could machine them afterwards. Not as simple as it looks. I realised early on that making a batch was no harder nor dearer than making one so a batch it was. No one was interested in my efforts nor wished to help nor put money in until I appeared with the completed batch when desperate owners needing one just appeared out of the woodwork. All the extras went amazingly quickly.
It's 3D printing for me nowadays and that is more involved than you expect.
Have fun.

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This may be helpful searching for commercial catalogues or not but our State Library has also improved its website and search function so you can really drill down and hunt out really obscure stuff. Its surprising what they have.
They also give lots of info on where stuff is held elsewhere and occasionally you can access it through their site.
Most old motorcycle stuff is now held off site and may take up to five business days to arrive. This is absolutely no problem as they run a 'click and collect' service. Order what you want from home, they acknowledge the order, then text you when its arrived to look at. They will hold it for five days before returning it to the archives and will hold it longer if you ask. They really make it easy.
As you can gather I'm a big fan. Have a browse.

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British Bikes / Re: Excelsior - or even Waratah - around 1924
« on: June 16, 2026, 12:00:45 PM »
Can’t really add anything helpful but do agree with your observations about theCar and Classic bike. I think it’s pretty obvious it has the double tube frame and your friends frame would seem to come from the same stable.
Haven’t gathered any more early 20’s Excelsior information but have been having a pleasant time in the State Library checking out 1930’s Villiers stuff. The State Government has gone to some lengths to make it easy for me rebuilding our local rail station and a State Library Station at the other end. On top of that we’ve had a month of free public transport and now half price fares for the rest of the year. (State election coming up). Even better is the new to me library copying/scanning protocol, much, much cheaper to scan to a thumb drive than copy to paper and the scan is easier to read when I get home. Not many governments go to such lengths  to make life easy for old motorcyclists.

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British Bikes / Re: Matchless overhead cam parts
« on: June 09, 2026, 07:26:55 AM »
Like most things there are more survivors than you think but the only local bike I know of is the Shannons bike and I don't know who owns that now. I'm sure someone would be grateful for those remains for spares but I'm no longer the person to ask.
In some ways it wasn't such a hard engine to rebuild. Matchless stuck to the same 69x93 bore and stroke for their 350 engines for near 40 years so a WD G3L piston just dropped in and the same WD G3L conrod was de-engineered backwards to fit. Matchless rarely did clean sheet designs but just steadily beefed parts up to suit later power outputs so for many parts you just have to de beef them and take them back to original. After a while you get to know the early Matchless parts numbering system and can track down many parts used across the range. Sometimes it really pays to specialise in a specific make and know it inside out. Makes life easier.
 

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British Bikes / Re: My 1951 G2 Trials
« on: June 09, 2026, 06:57:50 AM »
Even making your own nuts can become expensive nowadays. Sourcing Whitworth hex bar can be a drama and you have to decide between 26tpi carbon steel taps or high speed steel jobbies. Having long since built a good workshop range of 26 & 20 tpi taps I'm okay but I'd hate to be starting off now. It's great once you're set up but taps can get pricy if you don't watch out. I think I haunted every second hand tool merchant and machine shop clearance sales for years to get some of the more obscure sizes. Some of the various 1" plus 20tpi sizes for old fixed head side valve engines were a real find.
Any way, go to it Murdo. you'll be surprised how often having a tap of the right size gets you out of trouble. Just make sure you have dry long term storage for your hex bar.

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British Bikes / Re: Matchless overhead cam parts
« on: June 06, 2026, 08:30:09 AM »
It hasn't appeared. I'll start again.
This engine never did well, I think mainly due to its dismal lubrication system. Introduced in 1923 it ha the same system as its 350 side valve stablemate. Namely a total loss system that merely pumped oil into the engine to just splash around and hopefully oil everything. In this engine, being of ohc operation the oil line entry was up on the cam gear so you got steady drips on to the valve gear before it theoretically dripped down the cam drive at the cylinder rear to the timing gear train and hopefully after that through in to the crankcase where the big end and piston got what was left. Given the pump was driven as usual practice from down on the timing gear you can imagine how long it took before any oil got up to the cam gear and then started its long drip down to the bottom end. Valve guide lubrication to the exposed valves may have happened on the way through but don't hold your breath. 
It wasn't a happy arrangement and Matchless fiddled around with it for years eventually fitting a duplex Pilgrim pump with the top and bottom ends each getting their own feed.
By this time the factory only fitted it as an alternative 'sporting' engine in their 500ccc ohv single Model V series bikes and this is the version sold by Shannons. The engine did not survive the across the range change to dry sump lubrication in 1930 but that year the new 400cc  Silver Arrow was the Matchless pride and joy. Who needed to be reminded of a dud 350 ohc effort.
I know the Shannons bike quite well. I knew both the original gatherer of all the parts and the next owner who finished it. They were good mates. Both gone now. It would be a very interesting bike to own but definitely one to trear cautiously.   

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British Bikes / Re: Matchless overhead cam parts
« on: June 06, 2026, 06:03:37 AM »
I replied to this but my reply seems to have gone missing. I know these engines quite well. I'll hang on and see if my answer pops up otherwise I'll have to type it all out again which I don't want to do if I can avoid it. Watch this space!!! 

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British Bikes / Re: Albion gearbox BF436 - where used?
« on: May 27, 2026, 08:23:13 AM »
Interesting. I don 't know that I'd be too keen to mix up oil and grease myself but I think I'll look more kindly on that stuff they recommend for vintage car steering boxes and the like. Can't remember what Penrite call it. Thick like grease when cold but quickly liquefies when stirred up. Thixotropic?

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British Bikes / Re: Albion gearbox BF436 - where used?
« on: May 27, 2026, 05:11:05 AM »
Albion introduced their first “Featherweight “ 4 speed box intended for up to 150cc machines in January 1933. Unfortunately the majority of the motorcycle industry were reluctant to take it on for their bottom of the range lightweights as it was dearer than the EJ 3 speed.
Some did but the general attitude seemed to be that they were building cheap’n’nasties and building an optional cheap and interesting version wasn’t going to happen.
I can see why Albion wasn’t interested in making a close ratio 3 speeder when they had difficulty selling their much better 4 speed box intended for the same purpose.

Curiously I’ve never seen any Albion literature advocating a thin grease. Where did you get that?

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British Bikes / Re: Albion gearbox BF436 - where used?
« on: May 26, 2026, 09:26:34 AM »
Back to Albion boxes. I've just returned from the State Library where I was ploughing through 1931 copies of MotorCycling. The 11/11/31 copy had a paragraph introducing the new "E Junior", a new 3 speed box for featherweights up to 150cc. Weight 12 lbs. internal ratios 1.57 and 2.78 to 1. High gear the usual direct drive 1:1 of course.
Then referred to the the regular 'E' for 200-300cc machines and advised the smallest 2 speed as redeveloped in 1931 was still to be produced.
The new box of course is the good old EJ, probably the most common survivor found today. As the cheapest 3 speed box they made it was calmly fitted by all and sundry to whatever piece of equipment they needed a box for and  absolutely no notice paid to the factories advice it was a featherweight for up to 150cc engines only. It was the cheapest they could buy and who cared if it was ferociously overloaded. Lucky for us it was tougher than the factory thought. Love them.

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British Bikes / Re: Albion gearbox BF436 - where used?
« on: May 22, 2026, 03:07:43 AM »
I like the oil filling system shown on those ads. A hollow mounting bolt with a cycle lubricator on top. I wonder how long it took to fill the box through that.

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British Bikes / Re: Albion gearbox BF436 - where used?
« on: May 20, 2026, 07:23:21 AM »
It’s got a rocking pedal foot change on the other side. Pretty simple with a two speed box. No fancypositive stop arrangement needed. Push down as far as it will go at one end for low gear. Push the other end down as far as it will go for high gear. Let it flap around in the middle for neutral.

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British Bikes / Re: Albion gearbox BF436 - where used?
« on: May 20, 2026, 03:09:13 AM »
Yes, the awkward mudguards are a common mistake and so easily avoided.
The reason is obvious. The restorer has used a common aftermarket 'universal' 19" guard. These are generally made to suit heavier bikes with up to 3.50x19" tyres. These give a total diameter of 26" when fitted. On the other hand all these lightweights use 2.75x19" tyres (BSA Bantam size) giving a total fitted diameter of 24.25". Using a guard intended for the larger diameter is just wrong. The near 2" clumsy gap when installed is wildly obvious no matter what you do.
If you're not willing to spend money to get them right then using Bantam guards or some other lightweight guards as a foundation will give you a much better look than wrong size aftermarkets. They are at least made to suit the same size wheels.
There are other points that I'd comment on if I was a concours judge but overall I'm pleased the bike was restored at all. I'm grateful for his efforts.
I think it's too over restored for a bike whose great selling point was how cheap it was and why fit the fancy Francis Barnett only flywheel cover, but that's just me. 

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British Bikes / Re: Albion gearbox BF436 - where used?
« on: May 19, 2026, 07:43:11 AM »
Well, two questions.
How many Model ! Excelsior do I have? One on the road and enough parts, frames, forks, tanks etc to build the full set with all engine and gearbox configurations. Over the years I've run the various combinations at one time or another and currently I have the i72cc Sport engine fitted with a 2 speed box. I have the 3 speed box but it isn't much of an improvement as it has the same ratios as the 2 speeder plus a lower first gear. This is only of use on the most desperate of hills. Of little practical value for normal road use. I have the internals of an early Albion 4 speed lightweight box but am still looking for the right casing. That should make things interesting. Hand change of course, got to keep things entertaining. The original plan was to have the full set on the road but other projects plus creaking bones and joints keep getting in the way.

Leon, the box id numbers seem to have have nothing to do with the year of manufacture. Being a proprietary item as with Villiers engines they didn't make annual changes and just kept making them whilst there was a viable market and in some cases seem to have stopped production and started again if sales picked up. I don't know all the subtleties of whether they avoided confusing letters such as O or I.
My info takes us a few steps further forward but there's still a long way to go. 
 

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British Bikes / Re: Albion gearbox BF436 - where used?
« on: May 19, 2026, 03:55:49 AM »
The numbering is actually quite simple. It just doesn't necessarily give you the information you seek.
Rule of thumb is as follows. The first letter usually broadly identifies the type of box. I'll use an imaginary Type "A" box, possibly even the second letter so you might have an "AB" box.  Albion then used a batch numbering system so their boxes were numbered in batches of 999 using an alphanumeric system. The first batch would be AA 001 to AA 999. The second batch would be AB 001 to AB 999, third batch AC 001 to AC 999 and so on finally up to AZ 001 to AZ 999 whereupon they would just add another letter, now AAA and start again, AAA 001 to AAA 999 then AAB 001 to AAB 999, AAC 001 to AAC 999. Finally when they arrived at AAZ they would start again at ABA to ABZ then ACA to ACZ and on it goes.
This is more of a factory internal numbering system so they could keep track of internal production than an individual box identifier. As minor variations seem to have been carried out within each batch to suit various buyers it's not necessarily much help for outsiders to identify exactly what bike an individual box was made for. Albion knew and the original buyer knew but our chances of finding out 90 years later are slim.
I found all this out with my 1929 2 speed Excelsior Model 1. The original box was badly cracked so I found an identical replacement and restored that. When I came to fit it I found the identical top mounting arrangements were actually 1/4" further away from the centreline than the original. The primary chain alignment was 1/4" out. It was an entertaining exercise safely moving everything to suit.
Any questions?
 

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