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Hello

I have been passed a couple of photos recently, not the best quality unfortunately, one whilst in the RAF(1941) and one we believe to be earlier. I never met my grandfather and being keen on motorcycles myself would be over the moon if the makes/models could be identified.

The first is a picture of my grandfather as a despatch rider in Hull take in March 1941. Motorcycle registration PMT212.

I am by no means an expert. From what I can tell;
- Hand gear change
- Visible Cylinder sloping forward
- Girder front suspension
- Exhaust has the wider silencer and 'fishtail' at the end


The second picture we do not know when taken but understand it is before the war.

The registration UJ8184. UJ is a Salop designation registered between June 1932 and 1937.

Looks to be a similar motorcycle but with a cylinderical exhaust. The writing on the rear is interesting but we cannot make it out

Appear to start with 'R' then two letters? Then 'J' and 5/6 more letters? R__J_____?

Any help much appreciated.

Thanks very much,

Ben