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British Bikes / Re: AMAL 289 questions
« on: August 06, 2020, 09:02:57 PM »
Bang on cue comes the word from Phil Beresford at Burlen:
"It (the pin hole) is an overflow outlet to prevent fuel entering the engine in large quantities if the float chamber overflows."
Further from Phil Beresford today, comes this:
"The 289/014 is a carburetter body number from a post war carburetter used almost exclusively by BSA on their B range singles. However if the carburetters are stamped 289/014 then they may have been supplied separately as the BSA carburetters would be stamped with specification numbers on the flanges."

Thanks to "R" for the photo of his fuel level which I will be happy to copy.

In downdraught configuration the pin hole is in the side of the body so its purpose may be negated. In fact it may have to be sealed to prevent constant dribbling.

Thank you for your interest.

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British Bikes / Re: AMAL 289 questions
« on: August 05, 2020, 07:35:57 PM »
Where in Beckenham was the thing built? I used to live there when it was posh.
After WW1 the Batten family business branched out from patterned linoleum machine design and build into motor car sales and then into special building. They were located in the old premises of Thomas Tilling, jobmaster and omnibus operator, at 181 High Street in Beckenham (now a supermarket).

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British Bikes / Re: AMAL 289 questions
« on: August 05, 2020, 05:45:38 PM »
Bang on cue comes the word from Phil Beresford at Burlen:
"It (the pin hole) is an overflow outlet to prevent fuel entering the engine in large quantities if the float chamber overflows."

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British Bikes / Re: AMAL 289 questions
« on: August 05, 2020, 05:24:38 PM »
why don't you discuss this problem with Burlen who make these carbs and who will provide you with all the info you need plus a set of matched carbs?
Thank you for your suggestion.
I have asked Burlen for information and await a response.
I have a matched set of carburetters.
Meanwhile, a number of folk on here seem to be interested in my project and are being helpful, for which I am grateful.

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British Bikes / Re: AMAL 289 questions
« on: August 05, 2020, 12:56:09 PM »
I'm glad I came on here - thanks for your interest, chaps.

All the carbs are stamped 289/014. None have air holes in the base. According to information on Hitchcocks website
https://tinyurl.com/y36zdlns
"... the standard design where the primary air to the main jet and the pilot jet system comes in jointly through the main air intake, see figure 3, sheet 3 . The type numbers are 274, 275, 276 and 289. An alternative design is made where the primary air to the main jet comes in through four visible ports around the base of the mixing chamber, and where also the air supply to the pilot jet system is separate. The type numbers of these carburetters are 74, 75, 76 and 89."
There is no mention of dates.

I noted earlier that the pin hole feeds through the jet block into the volume surrounding the needle jet - see photos below.

I also noted earlier that the original heads and carbs had disappeared from the car in the 1950s. Eventually a replacement pair of the two piece copper/aluminium heads was found in deepest Utah and very shortly afterwards a serendipitous meeting with the man who had just rebuilt Sydney Allard's Steyr-engined hill climb special led to the acquisition of the AMAL 289s from that engine, which had been replaced by GP Dell'Ortos.

Thanks to John.K for the description of the pin hole with "Behind that is a through hole in the jet block that is listed as small primary air/fuel drain to prevent the engine filling with petrol when parked and the tap left on." Please will you point me to the source of that - where is it listed, please?

I am coming to the conclusion that the fuel level should be set just below the centre line of the main jet. My fuel reservoir box (baffled) will be mounted on adjustable height pillars, and, being sealed and effectively fixed to the carburetters, will maintain the fuel level under all conditions of acceleration, braking and cornering. Well, that's the plan, anyway!



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British Bikes / Re: AMAL 289 questions
« on: August 05, 2020, 12:07:39 AM »
1.  Holes are for the intake of air at idle, but that's not going to be an issue in this case.
Thanks for that JFerg, but, forgive me if I'm being thick, there is only one hole under consideration - in the side of the mixing chamber casting just above the thread for the bottom union to screw on. It's a pin hole and appears to feed through the jet block into the cavity around the needle jet. What's it for?

As described above, there will be no float bowl attached to the carbs which will be fed from a common fuel reservoir, but I take the point about a transparent tube level indicator. In the horizontal, downdraught configuration where should that level be in relation to the main jet centre line?

By the way, in consideration of the difficulty in synchronising eight of these wee monsters I have been reminded that in 1938 the approved method was to remove the exhaust manifolds and, in a darkened workshop, tune to the colour of the flame exiting the exhaust ports. Nice bright blue is good. Some Aston Martins had small plugs screwed into the top of each exhaust pipe, close to the cylinder head, which would be removed to allow viewing of the flame shooting past. These days we have Gunson Colortune plugs. Since I already have a kit I asked Gunson to supply just seven plugs to save me having to buy complete kits. They declined, so I made my own 18 mm. see-through plugs to assist the tuning.

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British Bikes / Re: AMAL 289 questions
« on: August 04, 2020, 07:48:56 PM »
Thank you all for your interest and suggestions.
I'm stuck with AMALs because that's what the car had pre-war when racing at Brooklands. It's the Batten Special with a side-valve Ford V8 engine from 1933-ish. The special cylinder heads and carbs got lost in the 1950s. I've had the beast almost fifty years and want to re-create the pre-war configuration so downdraught AMALs it has to be!

I don't understand the purpose of what is variously labelled pin-hole or air bleed. If it's important, and I assume it is or it wouldn't be there, it could be moved to another position by careful drilling of the jet block and main casting.

Thanks to John Chaterlea for the drawings - would it be possible to have a copy of the jet block drawing without the watermark? By email, maybe?

The intention is to have one "float" chamber between the two banks of carbs, but without a float - instead the level will be maintained by constant flow of fuel into and out of (back to the tank) a sealed box, always at atmospheric pressure.

Here's the car in action: www.battenspecial.com

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British Bikes / AMAL 289 questions
« on: August 03, 2020, 07:39:00 PM »
Hello - I'm new on here, searching for knowledge.

I have an application for AMAL289 carbs mounted horizontally, eight of them.
OK it's on a car - please don't throw me off just yet.

The questions are:
a) what is the purpose of the tiny hole in the casting just above the mixing chamber union?
b) when mounted horizontally, how far below the main jet centre line should the fuel level be?

I'm a bit old for bikes now, but went through a 1956 Sun 125, 1953 BSA B31, 1935 Norton Inter, 1938  Vinnie Black Knight (never had it out of third in anger).

Hope you can guide me on the paths of righteousness.
Neil.
www.battenspecial.com


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