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British Bikes / Re: 1950s Francis Barnett
« on: February 01, 2024, 01:15:41 AM »
The first Y in the frame number shows it to be from 1957 but there is no YY. A single Y, yes plus YC, YM, YB plus YTM and YSM but no YY.
Your engine number is not quite right either.
If you give the bike a really good clean and look closely you should be able to pick the numbers out a little better. They can often be awkward to read.
Do not trust any paperwork numbers.
No trouble identifying it with the right numbers.

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British Bikes / Re: BSA C15 mainshaft bush. Phosphor Bronze OK or not?
« on: January 24, 2024, 12:28:18 AM »
In principle, no problem. Many motorcycle engines have had phosphor bronze main bearings. Of far greater concern is accurate alignment with the drive side bearings.
You hint at worn bearing housings. They must be rectified and correctly aligned first. Making an oversize bush and bashing it in a worn housing is a recipe for disaster.
The better you do the job the better the result.

Best of luck.

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British Bikes / Re: 1920s/30s carbs
« on: January 14, 2024, 12:45:06 AM »
According to their literature Amal didn’t approve of using a clip fitting to attach their carbs as they believed them prone to air leaks.
As Villiers used nothing but a clip fitting on their motorcycle carbs I’m inclined to understand why, particularly on aluminium inlet manifolds. Routine carb removal for maintenance wears away the aluminium surprisingly quickly. Eventually they changed to bronze manifolds.
It’s weird the odd trivia you learn when you play with old bikes isn’t it.

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British Bikes / Re: Ambassador Series 1
« on: January 11, 2024, 10:10:19 AM »
I confess I rarely buy new books. I tend to haunt the abebook second hand book site where I can email the seller with enquires before I commit myself.
I never buy off eBay. In my view that’s where the junk tatty copies are sold.
You get a proper description of your prospective buy on abebooks.
He doesn’t know it but Mick is quite honoured that I happily paid for a new copy of his “ Guide to Ambassadors “. Couldn’t wait for it to appear on abebooks.

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British Bikes / Re: Ambassador Series 1
« on: January 10, 2024, 01:37:19 AM »
I have a copy of “A Guide to Ambassador Motorcycles”. It’s very good. In fact it can easily stand as a textbook example of how to present the practical information needed to identify exactly what you have.
Yes it’s a niche publication but does that matter? There were many British niche manufacturers, Dot, Greeves, Norman and so forth. All could do with an equivalent practical guide. It would cut through an awful lot of bull dust.
Of course getting a prospective owner to actually read one is another thing altogether.
Anyway, Happy New Year to all. Hope none of you are caught up in the various natural disasters dominating the news.
Cheers,

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British Bikes / Re: 1920s/30s carbs
« on: December 21, 2023, 02:51:26 AM »
You don’t appreciate how much gravity and vibration assist throttle slide return until you’ve messed about with a horizontal carb.
My experience dates back to the 50’s and 60’s when bikes of the horizontal carb era were just old bangers. Not vintage, not “classic “ but just old rigid frame bikes that girls wouldn’t ride on.  But they were cheap, very, very cheap, so appropriate for a rather sad element of riders with delusions about their ability.
When worn the slides would stick remarkably easily anD frighten the life out of you. A new slide with sharp edges stuck even easier. New carb bodies were near impossible for a gormless yoof to find and out of my price range anyway plus body resleeving was years in the future.
I quickly learned to avoid them.

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European and Other Bikes / Re: Albion Gearbox Identification
« on: December 13, 2023, 11:17:40 PM »
De-De doesn’t have an  Albion gearbox. That is the lightest Sturmey Archer three speeder. Again, mechanically okay but remarkably wide ratios with such a low bottom gear you could tow an army tank with it.
Very typical of its day.

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European and Other Bikes / Re: Albion Gearbox Identification
« on: December 12, 2023, 05:31:10 AM »
The Albion gearbox goes back to before the First World War. They made a range of two speed only boxes up to 1925 when they introduced their first three speed boxes for the 1926 season.
I’ve ploughed through my copy of the VMCC Register and found that most of the S series two speeders range around the early 20’s.They all appear to be chain-cum-belt like yours. Generally at this time Albion numbered their boxes in an alpha/numeric style in lots of 1000, so the S box would be numbered S 001 to S 999. After 999 they start again with SA 001 to SA 999, then SB 001 to SB 999 and so on. From this you can deduce where your box comes in the lineup and that a box stamped SJ 688 should be broadly the same as your SC88 although made much later.
By1925 when they introduced their first three speeder they also advised their top of the line two speeders similar to yours came in two versions, one for up to 200cc engines and t’other up to 250cc.  Albion two speeders come in many guises. Not simple.
Tha Atania brand is a mystery to me but appears to be the usual confection of proprietary products. What make are the forks?

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European and Other Bikes / Re: Albion Gearbox Identification
« on: December 11, 2023, 08:02:02 AM »
Albion gearboxes can be a minefield. As gearboxes they are fine but pinning exactly what you have can drive you batty.
I think (note, think) you have an S series box from the early twenties that was used in lightweights up to about 300cc. Mostly two strokes but also four strokes.
As Albion would supply the same box with top mount, bottom mount and pivot mount form plus with a variety of mainshaft lengths and sprocket sizes having the same box as in your mates bike doesn’t mean they are interchangeable.
Finally, what Albion rated their box at and what bike manufacturers did with them bear little relationship.
What make is the bike? What engine does it have? More info please.

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British Bikes / Re: royal enfield 355 1929
« on: December 01, 2023, 12:12:27 AM »
Solid advice from R to which I will add a few comments.
1929 was the last gasp of the AMAC name. By then it was close to the then new Amal carb and was well past the continual two lever juggling of the veteran era. You may use the little lever for a cold start and warming up but will mostly ride on the big lever alone. That will come with practice.
Starting commonly needs the big lever cracked open a little.
As you need to take your hands off the bars to both give hand signals as well as change gear you will soon appreciate how practical and effective a lever throttle is. This is not the place for a self closing twist grip.
Regardless of what you ride now you will find your 1929 bike requires an entirely different technique. Not better, not worse, just different. You are starting afresh in a different world.
What are the engine lubrication arrangements? That may require discussion as well.

Welcome to the club. It’s like putting on “L” plates again. All new and exciting.

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British Bikes / Re: Australian-made motorcycles in the 1950s - help please
« on: November 20, 2023, 02:32:43 AM »
No, never registered in Victoria. The nearest number we have is 586/9759.
If the owner got it from Queensland we can only assume it spent its working life up there. I’m assuming it would have been sent up there as a batch in kit form to be assembled on site. It wouldn’t have gone up by road back then and I can’t see Bruce Small being silly enough to entrust assembled machines to three seperate State Railways.

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British Bikes / Re: Troubleshooting a JAP Special
« on: August 31, 2023, 02:42:08 PM »
You should check out the results achieved for old British bangers in the latest Shannons sale that finished a week ago.
Lot 108, 1950 Matchless G80, $7,200. Lot 109, 1953 Matchless G9 500cc twin, $5,100.  Lot 115, 1952 Triumph Thunderbird,$14,500. Lot 116, 1953 Ariel Square Four$17,000. Lot 121 Triumph X-75 Hurricane, $40,500.

The other eight Brit bikes didn’t sell

Those are actual sale prices, not eBay dreamer stuff. $16,000 for a 350 Ajay! Tell’im ‘e’s dreamin’.

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British Bikes / Re: Simplex in South Australia?
« on: August 24, 2023, 05:40:09 AM »
At a glance the Mk’s VI, VII & VIIIC look identical. It takes a little knowledge to tell them apart. The engine number prefix is the easiest give away.
H for MkVIC, L for VIIC and W for the VIIIC. The basics are simple enough but Villiers would add another letter prefix or two for ‘specials’.
For example, in its introductory year Douglas fitted a horizontally mounted Mk XIIC to its 150cc Bantam. The standard prefix for a Mk XIIC is GY, the Douglas variant is GYH.
That’s an easy one, but some engines have up to a five letter prefix most of which no one can really identify, it’s more an inspired guess. As the basic mechanicals stay the same it doesn’t really matter but try telling an owner that.
I’m working on an annotated wall chart but new variations pop up with great regularity.

Nice to know about the ‘Sport’. I’d be quite tickled to own one.

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British Bikes / Re: Simplex in South Australia?
« on: August 23, 2023, 09:11:28 AM »
As the twin port Mk 12C  148cc engine has a different engine number prefix to the otherwise identical single port Mk 15C we can see at a glance in the records which engine was used. So far all of these Australian market bikes have had the the twin port Mk 12C as original equipment. No exceptions found as yet.
Replacement engines are a different story. It’s amazing what engines some enthusiast could stuff in a bike,
As there were no practical AC to DC rectifiers available for these machines at the time various firms used the flywheel magneto for ignition but added DC dynamos and batteries for steadier lighting in De Luxe models. Basic models stayed with the Villiers AC.

Also, as I am churning through the S records I have found two ‘Sport’ motorcycles. Both Villiers powered but with a difference. Both used the 1923 only 148cc MkVIIC. The first 148cc Villiers was the MkVIC of 1922 which is easy to find as it found a long life in lawnmowers and the following Mk VIIIC coming in 1924 lasted for even longer.
The MkVIIC came and went in 1923 only so makes it quite clear when ‘Sport’ motorcycles were around.
Don’t ask me why the choice of name.

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British Bikes / Re: Simplex in South Australia?
« on: August 22, 2023, 02:00:25 PM »
Thanks Leon,
For some reason I was confusing TurnerBros with E T Fisher and tangling the two together.
All told I have now listed a grand total of 35 Simplex not counting the odd one that may have been misfiled and will pop up in due course. The bike records were poorly managed when compared with the car side.
The breakdown is ,
1x98cc. First registered in 1944 I suspect it is not original but something’s built by someone for minimal fuel usage at the time.
5x122cc
22x148cc one of which had its engine swapped for an earlier 172cc Sport.
3x196cc, one the base 2E fixed head cast iron piston jobbie and the other two alloy head, alloy piston, Super Sports. The earlier 172cc engines were the Sport or Super Sport TT not just plain Super Sport.
Finally, 4x250.
As usual the “cooking” 148cc model dominates. It appears to be the cheap working bike of choice back then.


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