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Identify these bikes! / Re: Old monstrosity form a scrap yard needs ID
« on: January 13, 2018, 05:57:12 PM »
Try searching for Italian efforts.
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The Classic Biker Bar / Re: Anyone know of any old photographs of bikers at play in Scotland before the war?
« on: January 13, 2018, 12:22:23 PM »
Publish and be damned!!!!
as someone once said...........
as someone once said...........
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The Classic Biker Bar / Re: Anyone know of any old photographs of bikers at play in Scotland before the war?
« on: January 12, 2018, 08:18:37 PM »
I think it works along the lines of they bought the whole library, and if they photo the photo they sell you the copy, not the original.
Getty have ownership of Hulton library, Illustrated London news, and a host of others.
It amounts to a tax on research.
Getty have ownership of Hulton library, Illustrated London news, and a host of others.
It amounts to a tax on research.
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The Classic Biker Bar / Re: Anyone know of any old photographs of bikers at play in Scotland before the war?
« on: January 12, 2018, 06:13:54 PM »
I think you'll be OK with using that photo as long as you have a disclaimer in the book. I take it it is original photo and not from another publication?
Unlikely anyone will come back at you.
If it really worries you why not join the Society of Authors?
The internet has made the field of copyright a muddy mess.
I have a website which uses a lot of photos from various sources including museums, I always give a credit to the source even when I didn't ask first. Not much anyone can do. Mine is an academic site not a commercial so no-one loses anything.
Example, someone owned a painting and I took photos of it. That person is now dead, and his heir complained that I used that photo and claiming copyright. But the copyright of the photo I took with previous owners permission,some years before his death is mine, so I can lawfully use it and the moaning heir can lump it. However if I now took a photo of same painting in heirs ownership, that's a different set up altogether.
There is an acceptable formula for this, ask the Society of Authors.
The Getty picture archives got fed up with folk using their images so decided that single use was ok as long as Getty archive got credit; commercial use needs a license.
Unlikely anyone will come back at you.
If it really worries you why not join the Society of Authors?
The internet has made the field of copyright a muddy mess.
I have a website which uses a lot of photos from various sources including museums, I always give a credit to the source even when I didn't ask first. Not much anyone can do. Mine is an academic site not a commercial so no-one loses anything.
Example, someone owned a painting and I took photos of it. That person is now dead, and his heir complained that I used that photo and claiming copyright. But the copyright of the photo I took with previous owners permission,some years before his death is mine, so I can lawfully use it and the moaning heir can lump it. However if I now took a photo of same painting in heirs ownership, that's a different set up altogether.
There is an acceptable formula for this, ask the Society of Authors.
The Getty picture archives got fed up with folk using their images so decided that single use was ok as long as Getty archive got credit; commercial use needs a license.
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The Classic Biker Bar / Re: Anyone know of any old photographs of bikers at play in Scotland before the war?
« on: January 12, 2018, 02:23:20 PM »
date is hard,wish we could see the reg no,s.
most likely post 1918, maybe just pre 1914.
you are wrong about Capstan fags, my mate Baccy McFaggis told me you could only get Woodbines or Craven A back then, and that was for Sassenachs, real Scots smoked sheep daggings, which of course were free.
edit.
just been for another look, two bikes are carrying tax disc holders, compulsory carrying of those came in in 1921, so post 1921 for sure.
Interesting, no lamps on any bikes
most likely post 1918, maybe just pre 1914.
you are wrong about Capstan fags, my mate Baccy McFaggis told me you could only get Woodbines or Craven A back then, and that was for Sassenachs, real Scots smoked sheep daggings, which of course were free.
edit.
just been for another look, two bikes are carrying tax disc holders, compulsory carrying of those came in in 1921, so post 1921 for sure.
Interesting, no lamps on any bikes
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The Classic Biker Bar / Re: Anyone know of any old photographs of bikers at play in Scotland before the war?
« on: January 12, 2018, 01:26:59 PM »middle bike Douglas [fore and aft engine]
right hand Triumph. [that fork spring]
left could be AJS, just a guess
fags, woodbine or Craven A
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The Classic Biker Bar / Re: Anyone know of any old photographs of bikers at play in Scotland before the war?
« on: January 12, 2018, 09:41:58 AM »
Here copyright continues for 75 years after the death of the originator of the work, book,art whatever.
what date the work was published or created has no relevance.
for instance if an author died yesterday aged 100 something he/her wrote aged 20 will still be in copyright for another 75 yrs. Its also possible to leave ownership of copyright to heirs.
Thanks to the blessed wisdom of the saintly EU the position over works of art is even more complicated.
Of course the web has buggered all that anyway.
Nor am I entirely clear about "creative commons" as applied to these things in an educational or non commercial use.
what date the work was published or created has no relevance.
for instance if an author died yesterday aged 100 something he/her wrote aged 20 will still be in copyright for another 75 yrs. Its also possible to leave ownership of copyright to heirs.
Thanks to the blessed wisdom of the saintly EU the position over works of art is even more complicated.
Of course the web has buggered all that anyway.
Nor am I entirely clear about "creative commons" as applied to these things in an educational or non commercial use.
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British Bikes / Re: 1951 Royal Enfield Model S S672
« on: January 10, 2018, 12:46:46 PM »
any bike is better than no bike, and even the bottom of the range stuff is part of history.
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British Bikes / Re: 1951 Royal Enfield Model S S672
« on: January 10, 2018, 09:55:35 AM »
In 1950 we were exporting anything and everything we could to earn Dollars after the USA dumped us in the crap.
If there was a demand we tried to fill it, but there was also a chronic shortage of materials, power, everything.
There was a big demand from down under for british bikes cars etc, so if a factory could cobble a number of bikes together, that's what they sent to the other side of the planet, often knowing full well that there would be little or no spares back up or customers complaining at the factory gates.
Same reason a lot of experimental or dead end racing bike projects got shipped out.
debatable ethics but needs must where the devil drives.
Its a mistake to imagine everything made back then was pearl handled hand made works of art.
If there was a demand we tried to fill it, but there was also a chronic shortage of materials, power, everything.
There was a big demand from down under for british bikes cars etc, so if a factory could cobble a number of bikes together, that's what they sent to the other side of the planet, often knowing full well that there would be little or no spares back up or customers complaining at the factory gates.
Same reason a lot of experimental or dead end racing bike projects got shipped out.
debatable ethics but needs must where the devil drives.
Its a mistake to imagine everything made back then was pearl handled hand made works of art.
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British Bikes / Re: 1951 Royal Enfield Model S S672
« on: January 09, 2018, 09:42:51 AM »
If it were mine I would try and rug up some kind of coil igniton system; have a look at those contact breaker setups used in place of magnetos on some later R Enfields.
There is a very good reason why Burman gearboxes were preferred over Albion. bloody awful gearbox and clutch.
There is a very good reason why Burman gearboxes were preferred over Albion. bloody awful gearbox and clutch.
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British Bikes / Re: 1951 Royal Enfield Model S S672
« on: January 08, 2018, 10:00:29 PM »
That's the unit, I am sure I have had post war units with bakelite end caps.
Also that Miller did a similar unit.
Always found on real cheap bottom of the range bikes.
I see them from time to time on ebay or at jumbles, there was one on ebay, NOS, at a daft price some months back.
I can't say I'd be excited enough with a cheapo RE to spend much money on it. Each to their own.
Also that Miller did a similar unit.
Always found on real cheap bottom of the range bikes.
I see them from time to time on ebay or at jumbles, there was one on ebay, NOS, at a daft price some months back.
I can't say I'd be excited enough with a cheapo RE to spend much money on it. Each to their own.
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British Bikes / Re: 1951 Royal Enfield Model S S672
« on: January 08, 2018, 04:19:40 PM »
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British Bikes / Re: 1951 Royal Enfield Model S S672
« on: January 08, 2018, 01:42:04 PM »
It might well have been a different make of magneto, or probably one of those combined dynamo/contact breaker affairs. Could be Miller as well as Lucas.
This was a bike built down to a price in a time of real austerity, not the soft version they moan about these days. Likely to be using up pre war stocks of the above unit.
Sounds like Hitchcocks have fobbed you off with a standard response.Unlike them.
First thing for you is to get a parts book for that exact year and do some swatting up.
I can't find a pic of one.
Are you in UK?
edit
You can just about make out the unit here.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8EfSqMLXCjk/UEDG2w7ir8I/AAAAAAAARdI/2xHIFkMxFBw/s1600/Model_S.jpg
you can see the cradle the dynamo sits in here
http://www.pdrestoration.ca/PhotoAlbums/album_1400262565/
This was a bike built down to a price in a time of real austerity, not the soft version they moan about these days. Likely to be using up pre war stocks of the above unit.
Sounds like Hitchcocks have fobbed you off with a standard response.Unlike them.
First thing for you is to get a parts book for that exact year and do some swatting up.
I can't find a pic of one.
Are you in UK?
edit
You can just about make out the unit here.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8EfSqMLXCjk/UEDG2w7ir8I/AAAAAAAARdI/2xHIFkMxFBw/s1600/Model_S.jpg
you can see the cradle the dynamo sits in here
http://www.pdrestoration.ca/PhotoAlbums/album_1400262565/
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British Bikes / Re: 1951 Royal Enfield Model S S672
« on: January 08, 2018, 10:50:16 AM »
Probably it did not use a Lucas magneto.
Lucas M01/6 is a mag-dyno probably far to big fr the space available.
Have a word with Hitchcocks.
Lucas M01/6 is a mag-dyno probably far to big fr the space available.
Have a word with Hitchcocks.