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Hi, got this frame yesterday. Last owner remembers it being in family from at least 50's and he is now mid 80's. Around 20 years ago he looked through library books and thinks he id it as a Werner ? I must admit being such a old bike I had never come across it. Anyway he never had benefit of Internet so just went with that. I looked up a Werner but I am not 100% it is. It looks to have a few slight differences to me. I did find a few other very early bikes it could be like maybe a Peugeot? . Any ideas ? The main cross bar is 1.25" tube and it is quite long at 27" between fittings. It has a 8" space down to lower cross bar and I would think the max dimension of wheel and tyre would be around 27.5". Has belt drive built in kinks in rear left side. Has a number stamped a bit faint in saddle post fitting that looks like 15491. It has been painted with red led but was black under, maybe someone could possibly remove with care if wanted it original. Still looks and feels in very good order for age.

There no doubt about it Mini me, you do make me laugh. What you seem so hooked up on is that this or any bike is not original. All bikes are just parts put together and for me I don't care. I like it and like the look. All I wanted was a answer to what the engine may be, sadly this as yet has not been answered but it may well be just parts put together from many engines as you suggested, but I don't care I am in no way talking it up just pointing things out. Yes the gear change has been made up but if you look you can see this was a awful long time ago. No it never had pedals and there is a place the kick start would of once been fitted but with the twin gear shift this would make fitting it impossible. Hope that's straight. You do need to get over any perceived injustice you have had done to you in the past though as your blood pressure must be through the roof Anyway have a good one and take it easy.
        Cheers, Jon

As for the bike frame and the front forks they are a 1930's Monet Goyon S17, this was a twin port bike but with a 175 engine I think. The frame numbers have been id'd on the Monet Goyon french site. It also has on the V5 as model S17. It is also shown on the V5 as having a 197 or something close to that engine size.
The engine though is unidentified, The Monet Goyon lot say its not one of there's so is probably not a Villiers from any factory. It may well be something made up like Mini Me says. But I do think at sometime the bike has been raced even if by a individual having track fun. Why on earth would anyone want a heel operated brake and both a foot and short stubby hand shift and no kick start ?  I think it probably came over in the 40's and got issued this number and registered as a MG S17. It may of been modified before or after that time. If the engine was put in after it came over here I would of thought it was more likely British or British parts and if before when it was back in France more likely French. All I really want to know is what is it or from what parts it been knocked up out of. Mini Me mentioned lawn mowers I think, anyone know of a twin port mower ?
            Cheers, Jon           

I have also managed to find the original sales spiel that got me interested in this bike back when I bought it. Obviously with nothing other than what this says and no real providence I took it with a pinch of salt. What do you think ? The V5 I have gives a date of something like 1947 ( I do not have it to hand and do not remember if the reg No is transferable or not ) Any idea where the reg No is from ? It changed hands around a year before I bought it but apparently this was the first time in 30 years or so.
 
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I have for sale this very special bike. It is a 1930-34 Monet Goyon 250cc series R Villiers engine racing bike. It was prepared for racing in the 30s and has a number of interesting period race features. It was raced through the 30s at many race tracks including the historic banked track at Brooklands in England.

The company Monet Goyon was formed in 1917 by Joseph Monet and Adrien Goyon. It began manufacturing invalid carriages for disabled war veterans. In 1920 they became agents for the British Autocycle company and then in 1922 produced their first motorcycle, a 100cc BMA (Biclyclette moteur auxiliaire). During the 20s they built an excellent reputation for sporty flat tank bikes such as the Z147 and 175. The company had considerable racing success including winning the Bol Dor six times between 1927 and 1948. The company continued to build bikes until its closure in 1959. The factory was in Macon, one hour north of Lyon.

After some investigation I believe this bike to be a R 250 Villiers engine bike manufactured between 1930 and 1934. I has a two speed gearbox operated by hand or foot change. I have been told that this unusual period modification was for push starts? It has period rear set foot pegs and low racing handlebars.

The condition of the bike is very good. It is better than oily rag and the paintwork is all original with a lovely patina. The tank is excellent with just a couple of small dents, nothing serious. The wheels are in excellent condition with good tyres. Overall the bike just looks right for a 30s racer. Mechanically it all seems good. No attempt has been made to start the bike and I believe it was last run some 30 years ago. The engine turns over fine with good compression. There is no spark but the HT lead does not appear to be well attached at the flywheel which could well be the problem. I don't think it will take a lot to get this bike running. The gearbox engages fine and the clutch works ok. The front brake needs adjusting the heel operated rear brake works well.

I acquired this bike in a group of bikes from a deceased estate. I would imagine that this bike is unique in the UK.

Once fettled and running this bike will grace any period bike event such as the coupes moto legend. It would be a lovely addition to any collection or museum.

I don't have a buy it now price as to be honest I don't know what the bike is worth.

Hi, In my garage I have this old French bike. Its a 1930 Monet Goyon S17 with a incorrect tank on. Never really do much with it but I sort of like it. I have never been able to find out what the engine is. Its not correct for the bike as been on the French MG site in the past. No one there could ID it. I was told when I bought the bike it was a Villiers 250R, have not been able to find that engine ether and it looks a bit small to be 250 but have not had it apart to sure. Its a twin port with a nice bronze Amac carb. The exhaust connections at the head are screw threaded. The number I can see is very worn. Any ideas ? 

Just given it ago with live to the blue connection and neg to engine. Big spark breaking out at points but no spark at plug or even just end of lead. I am guessing this will be pointing to a faulty condenser as I think have had problem on something else like this before with very big spark at points and nothing showing at plug. Did put a meter on end of plug lead and do get a reading when kicking it over but not much and no spark so back to my other question can I use pretty much any condenser that will fit ?
 Cheers, Jon

Na, but would be good to know. bike was off road for years but engine looks like it was rebuilt and not run. Its still in frame but everything else is off so would like to see if it at least runs and go through gears before i pull it out and get frame powder coated. I must admit to me this generator looks very neat and unlike my other old 2 strokes do not have to contend with it demagnetizing
Would like to replace the condenser as the one on there has a dent in so may of been damaged, am I correct in that there is not any difference between a 6v an 12v one ? its a single wire condenser so if I get one of the same size so it fits in casing will this be OK ? Will try this one first but it looks to me to be the old 1955 one so may well be down by now.
 

This will tax the minds Unless you have a disc from this eara. I have have one of these modern repro discs to stick on a 200cc bike. Its a 1982 expiry disc so what would of been 12 months road tax if it was bought in 1981. Want to fill it in right as if i dont i am sure at a bike show someone will point it out I have it wrong
     Cheers.