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British Bikes / Re: Villiers 196 super sports
« Last post by cardan on February 21, 2026, 04:07:11 AM »
Mmm... a lot of bikes passed in (including the Wolf), some sold for much less than restoration cost ($2700 would have to be cheap for the "1936" Acme), and a couple of decent prices (who wouldn't be happy to get $19,000 for a late 1920s sv BSA?). We live in interesting times.

Make an offer for the Wolf, and I'll collect it for you. Then pass the restoration projects on.

Too hot in the shed this afternoon - it's crept up to 35C even though it's cloudy. Summer still with us.

Cheers

Leon
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British Bikes / Re: BSA b31 Dynamo
« Last post by ramwing7 on February 20, 2026, 04:07:39 PM »
Many thanks.   ;D
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British Bikes / Re: Villiers 196 super sports
« Last post by 33d6 on February 20, 2026, 01:13:06 PM »
Yes, that Elliot is pure Wolf Vixen but the advert isn’t clear enough to ascertain which forks.

I’d like to get the Wolf but I’ve too many unfinished projects sitting around already. I really don’t need the distraction of another bike, tempting though it may be.

As for dating that Acme as 1936, some owners just seem to have wild fantasies about what they have regardless of reality. They just don’t want to know.
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British Bikes / Re: Troubleshooting a JAP Special
« Last post by cardan on February 20, 2026, 04:50:24 AM »
Love the oiling concept and the link with your dad. Keep up the good work!

Leon
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British Bikes / Re: Villiers 196 super sports
« Last post by cardan on February 20, 2026, 04:47:29 AM »
I suppose a "1936" Acme is likely to bring a higher price than a 1948 model?

The Wolf is cute. https://bid.adeyauctions.com/lots/view/5-28K76Z/wolf-motorcycle In 1932 they were being sold by Gard Bros in Adelaide (where the bikes in the auction are located), while across town Elliott were flogging Sun Villiers. Elliott scored the Wolf agency a year or two later, and sold Wolf-looking bikes as Elliott Villiers. Here's an advert from March 1935. I think we decided Wolf? Not sure if you can identify the fork from such a poor image.

33d6, yell if you buy the Wolf and I'll pick it up for you!

Cheers

Leon
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British Bikes / Re: Villiers 196 super sports
« Last post by 33d6 on February 20, 2026, 12:27:04 AM »
I too sent an email to the auctioneer pointing out both the Acme frame and engine numbers indicate a post-war model. No reply yet.
My interest lies with next Villiers powered lightweight, the Wolf. This one they nearly got right. Its a 1932 Wolf  ‘Vixen’, not 1931 as claimed. That was an easy one as I have copies of all Wolf catalogues from 1931. The Vixen was first catalogued in 1932 and those particular Webb front forks were only fitted to the initial 1932 model. Satchwell forks for every year there on. It has much more potential for a fun bike than the Acme.
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British Bikes / Re: BSA b31 Dynamo
« Last post by R on February 19, 2026, 09:30:19 PM »
No.
As long as there are no wires coming out of the genny,
all those little electrons cannot be led astray

The genny is easily removable also, if this a long term setup.
Put a cover there to keep debris out ...
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British Bikes / BSA b31 Dynamo
« Last post by ramwing7 on February 19, 2026, 05:47:49 PM »
I recently came to own a 1949 BSA B31 without a hint of a wiring harness.  The magneto throws a hot spark, so I'd like to see if it will start up.
Question is will I damage the dynamo by running it under no load?
Thanks.
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British Bikes / Re: Troubleshooting a JAP Special
« Last post by Rockburner on February 19, 2026, 02:37:45 PM »
Out the exhaust pipe?
Hopefully as an almost-invisible blue haze. Get it wrong and it's dripping out the exhaust, and covering your boots and trousers and the back half of the bike as it spews out from every conceivable joint.

The presence of the built-in return pump makes your engine "dry sump" rather than "total loss" (or "wet  sump" as Haycraft rather misleadingly calls it in his Book of the JAP Engine). In principle the oil goes back to the oil tank after it's had a lap through the engine.

There were many JAP oiling systems, but 1932 was the first year of dry sump: first with a double-acting Pilgrim, then after with a built-in double acting JAP pump built in. I guess the racy engines were a bit weird. What year's you engine?

You'll be able to see the oil going into to the engine through the window on top of the Pilgrim pump. Make sure you understand where it goes next: as it goes into the end of the timing-side main shaft there is often a seal of some kind (e.g. a sprung brass quill) which can be missing, and then an oilway should be drilled all the way to the big end. Use your oil can to give a good squirt of oil into the main shaft - it should come out of the big end bearing. If not, double check with your JAP engine man. (I bet he checked!) The big end will die first without oil, so it pays to be certain.

Have fun!

Leon

Edit: OK, I've been back through the thread (not much of it!!!!) and found photos on p7 that show the oil layout. There's no return pump per-se? Just the oil pushed through the flappers into the small chamber underneath, with the neck at the back where the oil exits. Onto the dirt track originally, but better just dump it into a catch bottle for the road. What a waste of good oil!

Not sure of the exact year of the engine, since (afaik) no two pieces came from the same "factory" engine: it's a complelye "bitsa" scrounged and found.  But it's essentially a late 1940s / early 1950s flat-track/speedway engine in intent, but detuned (350 crank , 500 conrod, piston, barrel, etc).

It's worth remembering that the old speedway/flat-track race engines cared a lot more about getting power from the unit than worrying about the oil loss, and on shale / grasstrack it's not going to matter if you're losing a half a litre of oil per race, you fill up for the next one! My thinking is that ny modification for catching the lost oil have come from the Formula 500 car racers who were using these engines on proper race-circuits and so needed to a) reduce droppage for safety reasons, and b) reduce costs.

These photos show the oiling system I have on this bike:




Pilgrim Pump mounted to a secondary pump, mounted to the Timing chain cover.  The oil comes from the tank (the outboard-most pipe into the back of the Pilgrim), fed into the engine and the head, then is "sucked" (well - I doubt there's a pressure difference...) by that pump which is inboard of the Pilgrim from the "sump" (ie, the exit of the sludge-trap) and returned up to the oil tank.

My father, when he built this bike, was very aware of the total-loss nature of the engine as it would have been originally, but he wanted a bike he could use on the road, and on classic trackdays.  So, he spent a lot of time getting this "concept" (ie returning the lost oil back to the tank) to work.  His original idea was to have the oil drain from the "sump" down to a lower mounted tank, and then pumped up to the oil tank via a modified bicycle pump which was activated by the movement of the swingarm.

It actually worked.  Well - on bumpy roads anyway.... it turned out that modern race-tracks are too smooth and there wasn't enough movement of the swinging arm to make the pump work. :D :D

He also went through a couple of variations on the theme of multiple catch-tanks, but none were very satisfactory.

So he tried a few other ideas and eventually found this secondary pump and the engine had this fitted for... the last few years (at a guess) of it's active life. 


I do need to check the oil-flow down the crank, and look into whether or not I need that sprung quill: I've seen it on the list of JAP items from Speedway Service, but pretty sure there wasn't one fitted to this engine when I stripped it.  Something to ponder and discuss with the expert.
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