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British Bikes / Re: Brooks toolboxes
« Last post by R on Today at 04:27:53 AM »
Thanks for the thoughts folks.
I am due to visit the local ye olde leather shop, so we might see what they say.

I do have a neatsfoot oil story.
Was in the garage, a good while back, and heard a strange repetitive noise.
Narrowed it down to a giant cricket chomping on an old seat's leather - which have been treated with that stuff
Chewed a fair hole in it - although it wasn't exactly pristine to begin with.
Hmmm !
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Identify these bikes! / Re: Please identify this motorbike
« Last post by cardan on April 19, 2024, 02:33:19 PM »
Also worth noting on grandad's bike is the sheet-metal shield that has been fitted in front of the twin down tubes, and presumably turning underneath as a bash plate. The rear stand has been removed and replaced by a long "field stand" behind the rider's left leg. I think these were part of the Ariel WNG design.

Leon
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Identify these bikes! / Re: Please identify this motorbike
« Last post by cardan on April 19, 2024, 12:38:56 PM »
Some reading:

The photo of AMP366 comes from here https://motorcycletimeline.com/1935-2/ where it was captioned: "Three years after acquiring its first BSA 498cc V-twin for assessment the War Office ordered a lightweight version (hence the undersized fuel tank) but subsequently decided a side-valve single would be more suitable."

Here's a similar model that was for sale (some time ago) https://motorcycles-for-sale.biz/sale.php?id=37628 The model was called the B15 - some interesting comments on "standardisation" that happened on the military models. The tank on the bike in the photo with your grandad is most likely BSA C11; perhaps part of the standardisation process.

Leon
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Identify these bikes! / Re: Please identify this motorbike
« Last post by cardan on April 19, 2024, 12:16:11 PM »
BSA built some lightweight 500cc ohv twins for the army around 1935. Here's one of them - could your grandad's bike be AMP366, and this be the actual bike?

Leon
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Identify these bikes! / Re: Please identify this motorbike
« Last post by cardan on April 19, 2024, 11:15:08 AM »
And whats that circular object in front of the engine, below the horn ?

No idea! Guess it could be magneto or generator related, or...

The nearly-vertical front down tube on the frame must be a decent identifying feature, but can't think of what it identifies!

Leon
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Identify these bikes! / Re: Please identify this motorbike
« Last post by R on April 19, 2024, 12:21:51 AM »
So, we have twin petrol caps, a lucas headlamp with ammeter and switch on toppish, and a biggish looking sloper engine
(unless its a v-twin, which I'd doubt - doesn't look solid enough build).
Rear brake inside the rear sprocket.
And whats that circular object in front of the engine, below the horn ?
So its 1930s, and almost certainly British.

At first I'd plump for a Raleigh, but I think the headlamp is later.
Hmmm
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British Bikes / Re: Brooks toolboxes
« Last post by 33d6 on April 19, 2024, 12:15:58 AM »
Also a long time ago I had a paper from the British Museum on leather restoration and conservation. I was surprised at how firmly they were against neatsfoot oil, saddle soap and various other common leather applications. Then again, one of the leather examples they were using was a Roman sandal retrieved from the Thames so seriously old stuff in pretty ropey condition.
I would seek advice from a decent saddlers or leather merchant. Here in Melbourne for example I’d go straight to Leflers the leather merchants. They really know their stuff.
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British Bikes / Re: Brooks toolboxes
« Last post by cardan on April 18, 2024, 11:52:58 PM »
I have an ancient bottle of Neatsfoot Oil that is designed for the purpose - after murdo's comments I checked to see what is was made from. Very far from vegetable oil! Don't look up where it comes from before you use it.

It certainly conditions the leather but makes it hard to polish afterwards, so use in moderation.

Leon
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British Bikes / Re: Brookes toolboxes
« Last post by murdo on April 17, 2024, 10:37:14 PM »
Many years ago I found some old boots of my late grandfathers that had dried up like your toolboxes and an older bike friend said to fill them with cheap vegetable oil from the supermarket. I did this and after a month or so they had swelled and softened up nicely. I left them to drain and filled with absorbent kitchen paper. Left in the summer sun they dried enough to polish with boot polish, and after all that they were too small for me to wear and I gave then to a cousin.  :(
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British Bikes / Re: Brookes toolboxes
« Last post by 33d6 on April 16, 2024, 07:35:36 AM »
They’re “honest person” locks. That is, they stop honest people being tempted or being nosy but are useless against thieves.   Easy to force open but this is immediately obvious to the casual eye. Thieves can’t just undo whatever it is, remove items and then close it up again so no one notices. Common on old luggage.
 
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