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Should stainless steel fastners be used on motorcycles

Yes
8 (88.9%)
No
1 (11.1%)

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Voting closed: May 12, 2012, 10:52:11 AM

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Offline IRacingGreen

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Re: Fastners
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2012, 10:01:23 PM »
Oh no it doesn't!   ;) ;D  ::)

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Re: Fastners
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2012, 10:16:41 PM »
Nice one

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Re: Fastners
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2012, 05:08:06 AM »
I'm never quite sure why people think makers of stainless steel fittings should disclose what grade they use. Its always seemed to me that if you worry about this sort of thing, then don't buy it. Its not as if anyone is being forced in to the purchase. Nor do I see many makers of non stainless steel parts telling people what grade of steel they use.
 
And could most of us understand it if they did.

As for the other concern, "what about highly stressed engine parts" what actual parts do you mean? If its inside the engine where there is oil flying around why would you use stainless anyway?

Sorry to grump like this but I've been hearing the same cry since the 70's and no one has ever shown any real problems arising yet.


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Re: Fastners
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2012, 08:10:30 AM »
Oi JBW... don't be slagging off us Yorkies.... I'm suprised you got through passport control back then!
« Last Edit: May 07, 2012, 08:12:12 AM by Bomber »
If iver tha does owt for nowt alus duit for thissen

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Re: Fastners
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2012, 10:01:17 AM »
[ author=33d6 link=topic=4213.msg15385#msg15385 date=1336363686]
I'm never quite sure why people think makers of stainless steel fittings should disclose what grade they use.



If I was considering buying a wheel spindle and fittings in stainless,I'd like to know if the maker/seller had some appreciation of the stresses and strains involved and chose a grade of steel accordingly.

I recently made some girder fork spindles (not stainless) and was advised by a girder fork renovator/repairer that EN16 was the grade to use as the right combination of strength and machineability. I could have wandered off to the local B&Q and just bought some EN1 but that didn't seem such a clever idea regarding the long-term survival of me and machine, so I didn't... ;)

Of course it matters what grade of stainless is used, and if it matters, why the big secret?

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Re: Fastners
« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2012, 11:34:25 AM »
The VW enthusiasts have looked at this.    http://www.volksbolts.com/faq/basics.htm. And they say "grade A2 stainless should not be used in heavily loaded mechanical or structural areas"  so I am not the only one expecting to know what grade of steel I am buying.

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Re: Fastners
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2012, 06:29:43 PM »
Sorry Bomber, but its that damn fine Yorkshire pud you lot eat all the time, I had to contend with tripe & greasy lamb hotpot, just look @ road-tests, bikes were always 8mph faster in Lancashire than Yorkshire, even two up you could creep past a single Yorkie on a bike, course it could have been they he or she, it was always difficult to tell the gender in the Ridings, was too tight to open the throttle wide!

Just joking really......!

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Re: Fastners
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2012, 09:04:47 PM »
I think A2 and A4 grade fastners in s/s are ok for attaching brackets etc. Wheel spindles etc I think are typicaly .303 grade s/s.

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Re: Fastners
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2012, 10:03:11 PM »
[quote  link=topic=4213.msg15393#msg15393 date=1336421087]
 are typicaly .303 grade s/s.
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.303 grade s/s ??
Is that like a ballistic grade of stainless ??

This is a joke, right......

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Re: Fastners
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2012, 10:40:25 AM »
 Hello R

No it's not a joke; Iv'e never claimed to be knowlegeable; I was trying to be helpfull.

Your point is what exactly?

Bellow is just one example of a manufacturer who uses that grade of s/s. If you google other suppliers they say pretty much the same.


Hi Mike,
                       It never ceases to amaze me how many myths, misconceptions & lies
surround the use of stainless steel, not to mention the down right b*** s***
and prejudice! According to which "expert" you listen to it's "brittle",
"not strong enough", "reacts with aluminium and causes it to corrode", etc.
All which are total and utter rubbish!
           Obviously, as with any other material, there are various grades
which have different properties & the correct grade needs to be chosen for
any particular application. We use grade 303.
In simplistic terms, stainless steel is only "ordinary" steel with chromium
& nickel added to give it corrosion resistance. As with all other grades of
steel the "mechanical" properties, (strength, hardness, etc) can be varied
by the amount of other elements alloyed into it and also by other,
subsequent, processes such as heat treatment.
         On a motorcycle, the most critical components of the cycle parts
would be the wheel spindles. Obviously, the originals would be made from a
fairly high grade material. Generally speaking, all manufacturers have made
their wheel spindles from material having a tensile strength of around 38
tons/sq inch.
          Grade 303 stainless steel has a tensile strength of around 42-44
tons/sq inch. Obviously, superior to the originals, with the added bonus
that it won't rust & will never have to be re-plated in future years.
          An alternative grade that is occasionally used is 316. This has a
much higher nickel content & therefore, is designed for use in the harshest,
most corrosive environments such as sea water or the chemical industry.
However 316 is not quite as strong as 303 (around 37-28 tons/sq inch) and is
twice the price!
        Grade 304 is also occasionally mentioned. This is, primarily a
fabrication grade & is not, generally, recommended for machined components.
       Stainless steel is a "non-reactive" metal. This is exactly why it is
used in the catering,  medical & chemical industries. It does not react
with, or cause corrosion with, most other materials, such as alloy engine
cases!

I hope this puts your mind at rest. If you want to copy and paste this onto
the forum as a "sticky" or in the "info" section, please do so.

Very best wishes

Phil Denton

Phil can be found here.   

http://www.phildentonengineering.com/

I look forward to reading your comments R :)

 
 
 
 

 

 
 
 
   

 

 


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Re: Fastners
« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2012, 05:34:11 PM »
err i think R is pulling your leg  .  I think he got you lock ,stock and barrel !

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Re: Fastners
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2012, 07:45:21 PM »
Ride 'em cowboy!
Was R using rimmed or rimless  ammo in his Lee-Enfield/Luger P08 armoury?  I can see him now on a jet black Le  Velocette, a rifle strapped to each saddlebag, the scourge of the local Lambretta SX club;  guns & bikes, a rich & dangerous mix, our own version of the "Sons of Anarchy". Ride em boy, whip those Scooter boys asses!
Unless they have a Wildcat conversion, it makes 'em mighty quick, give that Le a good thrashing  & swing out your .303!


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JBW

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Re: Fastners
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2012, 04:53:48 AM »