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Motorcycle Discussions => British Bikes => Topic started by: Tins on December 10, 2019, 09:46:20 PM
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Hi , I am hoping someone can help ? I am try to find out what bike my dad used to ride when he was I the army , He was I the army in the mid 50s 'Amd served in the royal signals And rode in the trials team , I have attached a couple of pictures of him on a bike , I cannot seem to find anything that matches ? I thought he rode a matchless , but the picture shows the exhaust on the left of the bike , most or all the matchless seem to have the exhaust on the left ? Any help would be much appreciated, many Thanks matt
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Hi Here a couple more pictures
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Yes ,its a Matchless G3L....you have reversed the pictures.
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Looks a bit better the right way around.
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He looks rather useful at trials riding though.. :)
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Hi Thanks for your help , How confusing 😂 , He was quite good I believe , Has anybody done any trials on a g3l ?
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Apart from the WW2 era DR's, yep, probably thousands of people. ;)
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No way and I thought it was just my dad 😂 , I need to start my search for one now , Any pointers ?
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To look at, or buy ??
Matchless/AJS offered 'competition' models from the 1930s and earlier,
although with skimpier mudguards and raised ground clearance and muffler,
these were initially little different to road models.
ie Any budding rider could use a hacksaw to convert one (well, almost).
The factory supplied them as std models for many years, sometimes with a
long list of options to suit various purposes*.
*Sometimes noted as Trials or Scrambles models
(https://cybermotorcycle.com/gallery/matchless-1953/images/Matchless-1953-Brochure-Page-09.jpg)
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And prewar
(https://www.classic-british-motorcycles.com/images/x36Matchless-G3C-Trials-R.jpg.pagespeed.ic.4I75w2TXaW.jpg)
If you trawl through ebay and car and classic looking for a trials or compy model, a steady trickle will likely show up.
Whether they are worth the sometimes inflated asking prices is another matter...
eg. just for example
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C850774
Seems not unreasonable.
But you'd need to see it in the metal to see the quality of the build.....
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The important word in the C&C ad is "replica".
Seems like many AMCs have had their tinware stripped off, high level exhaust and knobbly tyres fitted over the years and now are the "real thing". Still good for a bit of fun but just don't pay "genuine" prices for a "rep".
{And yes, I do know from personal experience. Back in 1987 I bought what I thought was a real one, and even though it had the genuine small tank, all alloy engine and wader mag it had a roadster frame. Still, good fun for a year or so and then the pedestrian road performance meant it was sold on}
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A lot of so-called trials ("competition") models are merely hacked about road bikes. I know - I did it to my Enfield Bullet! The one in the link is probably the same. A real comp model will be a G3LC.
If you can get a copy of Don Morley's Classic British Trials Motorcycles it will help you sort the wheat from the chaff. But it's hard to come by for a reasonable price these days.
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Take a tip, never go looking for Dads old bike, or grandads old bike unless they've left you the money to do it.
A genuine factory spec trails bike can cost 10k easily especially if it has any history.
A WD Matchless like the one in the pic around 4k up
80% of "trials bikes" on sale are fake or just a road bike with knobby tyres.
There are even good repros like Pykett bikes.
The world of old bikes these days is full of catches for the unwary or unknowledgeable.
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I once sold a brand new WM20 as a "bush basher"....the buyer said he wanted the mudguards "oxy cut "......I offered to unbolt them,but no he wanted the oxycut look....All included in the $20 price.......wish Id saved the then worthless 80mph speedo.It had around 5 miles on it.
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Take a tip, never go looking for Dads old bike, or grandads old bike
This puzzles me too. How often are there ads which say something like " My dad had a NSU Quickly back in 1959 reg number XXX *** and my grandad had a BSA 150 before the war and sold it to a bloke in Scotland in 1946 and if either are still around I'd like to buy it back".
Does anyone ever get a positive response to this nonsense?
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Rex, strangely, it happened to me. I was reading OBM on the lav and in the "Where are they now" section, (which I normally never bother to read since the chances are next to zip,) was the reg of my 1953 500 Bullet. I phoned the chap out of curiosity and he was able to fill in a gap in the history that took me back to first registration. He asked to buy but wasn't in a position to do so, (needed to complete and out a Ural first!) so I thought nothing more of it. 6 months later I get a call, Ural gone and cash in hand so I agreed to sell as despite it being my first Enfield I didn't really use it or in fact, like it much. He was happy to be reunited with it as it had never actually run when he part-owned it. Another 6 months and he called me and said that although he'd enjoyed the experience he didn't like it much either and wanted to sell! I declined the offer (fickle me had replaced it with a 1A Interceptor, ha ha!) and that's the last I heard of it. He was a nice chap by the way and the whole experience was positive, a sort of cosmic return to the roots, man. I doubt I'd have sold it otherwise so OBM did me a favour!
REgards, Mark
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It's good to hear that it worked out well for someone, at least.
It reinforces the old cynic in me that after he pursued his old bike and bought it he actually realised that he didn't think much of it though. Rather like the romantic reunions you hear about, the reality of why you parted all those years back is still there. :-X
Given the huge number of bikes scrapped over the years, and the ever-increasing number of age-related reg's I reckon your experience must be almost unique.
{I had a 1952 Bullet, bought it last February and swapped it back in May. Should've been a good bike, ran nicely, all rebuilt, but I didn't take to it either!}
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Never revisit old loves,they'll be older, worn out, fatter, and lumbered with kids.
Old bikes you once owned are best viewed through rose tinted lenses.
I had great fun on my first bike, a Crusader Sports, it also used up most or my apprentice wages, but I don't want another one 50 years older.
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Rex, yes I'm pretty sure it was a one-off too. However, in his defence I did say that he told me that when he had the bike (part owned with a pal,) he never rode it. His job was to get the bike running, his pal being mechanically inept, but the pal sold it before he could sample it. I think it was the curiosity as much as anything that made him nostalgic! I've had another 500 Bullet since, (a 1958) and that was much nicer, not least because the Monobloc carb on the later Bullets at least lets the thing rev properly unlike the 289 (side float) on the '53 which seemed to strangle it. There might have been other issues, I tried a set of R cams in it once and it was much more fierce - can't remember now why I didn't leave them in. I've had several 350s (got a 350 Works Rep which is a keeper,) and they're much nicer. Having said all that I'm building a Bighead 500 at the moment so we'll see whether the bigger banger is better...
REgards, Mark
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Hi , I am looking to buy one , I didnt realise there were so many copies around ?? With all this helpfull information in will definitely be keeping my eyes peeled even more peeled , Thanks for all the help , Regards Matt
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I know where several bikes Ive owned over the years are.....for instance a 1924 Indian Scout I sold for $2500 around 1980....good price then ,anyway ,he offered me the "opportunity" of purchasing it back for .....$50,000.....that would require me to be completely demented .....and rich...neither of which I am.....Anyway ,Ive got enough restorable junk to last two lifetimes.......and what happens if these stupid climate emergency opportunists get control.....no vintage vehicles for sure.
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That Scout stole some snowflake's future... ;)
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The Scout has a bit of a history.....bought new by (Sir) Herbert Watkin,who was later Director General Of Education in Qld,numerous other educational positions,Vice Chancellor Uni of Qld,etc....He sold the Indian to a fellow teacher to buy a new Harley 750 ,and I bought the Indian from the friend in 1970.....It was in perfect original condition,tires blown up,and ridden up untill the cops put it off the road the previous year............unfortunately,I got a mate to pick it up in his work Transit van,and he had the bright idea to douse the bike in Rinso washing powder.........stripped off most of the near perfect original paint job.....not a big deal in those days,as everything was blasted and painted for resto.