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The VintageBike Message Board => The Classic Biker Bar => Topic started by: 1965T120R on September 14, 2012, 12:35:06 AM
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Here is my blog link to the Project Bike I am building up for myself. Sadly I must use a Build Shop due to I do not have the needed tools nor the area to do this at.
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/
Here is a teaser though of the basic rolling chassis as she sits right now. Her heart is a 1965 T120R 650cc/40ci w/dual carb set up supposedly out of a 1965 TT Special. Her main frame is a 1968 650 Bonneville. Her Hard Tail is a Generic Build. Her forks are of the DNA Springer type. 16" Rear Wheel. 19" Front Wheel. She going to be a fine little Classic Rigid Bobber when completed.
I will post the update links about her progress from my main Project Build Blog.
Peace unto you all.
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Three Updates:
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2012/09/new-tool.html
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2012/09/new-seat.html
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2012/09/new-pipes-on-order.html
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Update:
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2012/09/seat-update-assembly_18.html
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Update:
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2012/09/seat-spring-mounting-bracket-material.html
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Update:
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2012/09/seat-springs-bracket-to-frame-mounting.html
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Update:
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2012/09/salvaging-old-pipes.html
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Update:
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2012/09/mikuni-carbs-in-pre-cleaning-look.html
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Update:
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2012/09/mikuni-carbs-cleaning-mode.html
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Update:
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2012/10/new-part-order-today.html
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Update:
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2012/10/front-turn-signals.html
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Update:
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2012/10/amal-930-carb-cleaning.html
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Update:
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2012/10/good-news-build-time-coming-soon.html
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Update:
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2012/10/its-rear-fender.html
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Update:
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2012/11/its-build-time.html
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Update:
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2012/12/went-up-to-shop-today-and-got-some-good.html
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Update:
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2012/12/she-runs.html
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Update:
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2012/12/rear-fender-fabrication-and-assembly-12.html
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Are you enjoying yourself?
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Are you enjoying yourself?
I am very happy with the craftsmanship going into this project. The builder I am using is a die hard Harley man for over 25 years and is very proficient with all other Vintage makes and models too. I'll be enjoying it all the more the first long road trip I take on her. Before that we have a lot of trials to go through though in making sure she is set for full road operations and then keeping her maintained as such. Thank you for asking.
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"waiting for a fine Whiskey " drink plenty of it itll numb the pain , looks nice , i have a few ridgid bikes and find the lighter they are the less it hurts when you hit a pothole , must be to do with action and reaction , keep it light for an easyer life
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"waiting for a fine Whiskey " drink plenty of it itll numb the pain , looks nice , i have a few ridgid bikes and find the lighter they are the less it hurts when you hit a pothole , must be to do with action and reaction , keep it light for an easyer life
Light a nimble is what it is all about. Just like I love my women. Short, sweet, petite, with a nice little set of jugs and easy to handle. :)
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wish i could find one like that , havent talked to mine in 18 months as its rude to interupt .......we always hold hands when we go out ,cos if i let go she shops .............just had our xmas argument , she said "whats on the TV " i said "DUST" ..............for xmas she said "lets go somewhere i havent been for a while " I said "what the kitchen" ..............etc ....so if you have any of the women you descibe spare im in the market , have a good one
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lol good one. I'll keep ya in mind....lol :P
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Hid my wife's Christmas present behind the Hoover, been there since July still not found it. ::)
Nice Project but my old bones are done with a hardtail. Looking forward to more.
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I try to post a update to my blog each week I go to the shop. Some times I have mini updates I do not post to forum boards I belong to so check the main blog occasionally. :)
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Let us hope this hog turns out as good as the Wife jokes.
Happy Boxing Day Runs Everybody.
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Update: http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2012/12/progress-update-12-30-2012.html
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Update:
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2013/01/first-mocked-up-fuel-tank.html
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Update:
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2013/01/front-fender-engine-stays-and-new-helmet.html
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Update:
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2013/01/triumph-original-fuel-tank.html
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The original Triumph Fuel Tank wont fit with the DNA Springer Front End I am using at this time due to on a normal front end the Triple Tree is more forward in a triangle shape but on a DAN Springer Front End the Triple Tree is straight across like a old vintage girder front end. So for now we will use that small black peanut looking non asymmetrical to the frame and over all bike geometry type tank. Nothing I can do for now until the next Sacto Swap Meet where I will look for a tank that is 2 inches longer than the black tank I will use for now. So for now the Front Fender can be fabricated as needed to fit, The Front Brake Caliper can be installed and then the Battery Box fabricated up and mounted, entire Rear End Section wrapped up and keep moving and working around the bike as my budget affords and the builder has the time.
Until next update. Peace and Much Love, Honor and Respect for all who ride.
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nice tank , i must say the bike is starting to look like what we used to build in the late 70s early 80s , for me thats not good , is this your intention to look retro ? or is it just personal taste , i think you maybe ruining a nice bike which will be a disapointment to ride .
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Vintage look of the old original Rigid Bobber style is what I am going after and I think she will be a fun little ride. The bike started out as a complete rigid frame with an engine and some extra parts, then I bought the second basket case and we are slowly moving forward. Yes it is all custom but she is my custom and nothing is final until I proclaim it to be final so it will ALWAYS be a work in progress.
I could use that original Triumph Tank but where the Bungs are at the back end of the original tank and the way it sits not really and I would have to cut the back tab off the tank, weld new mounts under the rear of the tank.................not worth destroying an all original tank over. I have more respect for myself.
My builder understands though what I am talking about completely. The bike is not finalized and being I might need more clearance on the frame we might end up changing front ends again so......................if that is the case who knows which direction we will go but we are always going forward.
Next Sacto Swap Meet I will be looking for another tank like the black one but longer and hopefully more capacity The lil black one is a 3.5gln and I want a 4gln+. I hate having to stop on long journeys before I have to.
Hope that helps answer your questions. Rest assured though we are moving forward.
My builder installed my new front fender and the front brake caliper today but he has to get things completely straight and get the Disc installed plus the Mechanical Speedo Mechanism.
Forward progresss one thing at a time.
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take a look at this for insperation ............ looks to be the japs leading the way in the custom bike scean
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pB5gyxXut2M/UMOQ3Ng6aBI/AAAAAAAAEjI/ieXU13vvQH8/s1600/Blue+Rigid+1.JPG
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Talk about cutting it up. Ya show bike only though not a daily rider. Nice bike though.
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frame and a lot of other parts on this bike look standard , i would also say a good riding machine , i would not like to keep it clean though , nice touch with the dynamo and a lot of hand crafted parts , all in all moving the bar for others to follow , they do seam to like origional vintage parts . good for them as they are offten far better quality than the custom stuff offerd today like springer front ends (most offten built in china ) i have yet to see a pair with proper rebound dampening , or even a friction disc , how is this done on your forks ?
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My forks are a DNA Springer type front end.
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never had any , so how do they control rebound on these forks thanks ?
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Dual Springs top and bottom of the head tube connection. They look like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DNA-4-UNDER-BLACK-SPRINGER-FRONT-END-AXLE-HARLEY-BOBBER-/140889571986?hash=item20cdac4292&item=140889571986&pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr
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when harley tryed these on there springer soft tail they placed a dampner in between the top tree , as one spring against another is not controled dampnening as on these dna pogo sticks , i hope your roads a better than ours (im sure then are) as i think these may get interesting over the bumps at speed .
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Our roads are pretty decent over here and as I stated we might end up changing front ends to gain more clearance under the frame so either we go to a different Springer or back to a Harley front end.
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Update:
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2013/01/raising-frame-height.html
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Update:
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2013/02/teaser-update.html
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Update:
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2013/02/some-parts-arrived.html
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Update:
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2013/02/work-list-update-2-13-2013.html
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Great Update 4 22 2013
Build is going great.
1: Getting ready to tie in ALL of the wiring to the main Electronics Box.
2: Getting ready to install and properly time the Boyer Ignition(builder told me he has to talk to a couple people to be sure he got it right or have an old Triumph Head come in and pay him to time it properly), he worked on it initially but he was HONEST and told me he had not worked with one before. I can RESPECT a mechanic who can confess his short comings if any.
3: Ordering up the Speedometer and setting up Mechanical Gear Drive for the Speedometer on the Front Axle.
4: Gas tank has been mounted and secured.
5: Need to mount front Fender, Mirrors, Front Turn Signals.
6: Getting her started and idling to check the Top End Gaskets for ANY leakage.
7: Install Clutch Cable and check Clutch Pack fir stickiness and check the Primary Chain.
7: Mount the new Exhaust System.
8: Mounting my Saddle Bags.
9: Just a bunch of Misc little things but no big major issues.
Major focus is to get this bike up and idling. We must see what this engine which has sat for 4 years will do and wont do.
Paint, bling, glitter, fluff and the cutsie junk can come later.
Builder guesstimates 2-3 weeks more and she should if all goes correctly be able to come home and for me to take her out for her road trials.
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Finally she came home from the build shop today.
http://1965t120r650.blogspot.com/2013/07/oh-baby-home-coming-part-1.html
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you might want to lose a few lbs or get some better seat springs (dont look up to much) bikes like that seam to be going out over here , bolted together after market parts (frame , tank,forks etc very 1980s ) , and the trend is to use more origional maybe modifyed parts , most by the japanese custom builders who appear to be leading the way , again :(
http://bbworld.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/cat5098803/index.html
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you might want to lose a few lbs or get some better seat springs (dont look up to much) bikes like that seam to be going out over here , bolted together after market parts (frame , tank,forks etc very 1980s ) , and the trend is to use more origional maybe modifyed parts , most by the japanese custom builders who appear to be leading the way , again :(
http://bbworld.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/cat5098803/index.html
Oh I have been on a diet....lol and thank you for noticing. That is rich though. Oh FYI the seat does not squat at all when I am riding. She was built out of my own head by a Custom Harley builder with 27 years plus in building custom one off bikes who had his start in the Bay Area of California then moved up out of the rat race city to set back up his shop and home to one day retire.
The style of bike is my style and not meant to appease anybody but myself. She is built along the lines of a Frisco Bobber and that is just how I like her. Totally one off from all others in many ways, taking ideas from other builds and combining them to create my own. She is not even close to final paint and glitter. A long long ways off. I do not live in the valley nor in the big city but where I live up in the rugged foothill areas at the base of the Sierra Nevada Range of California it is all Harley, Triumph and old school Rigids with some baggers and dressers mixed into the bunch and most of us that you would see riding are a tad over weight and full bearded due to our age and fine country living. 99% of us belong to the D.I.L.L.I.G.F. Club. You could say yes there is a lot of old school true in heart 1%'ers where I live and always has been since my youngest memories and not the kind of 1%'ers you find in the city either but real down to Earth country folks. I guess you could say the area is like the old school retirement community for a lot of old school bikers who made the scene what it is today.
Stock bike with stock parts? WTF is that? lol Oh that must be for the rich kids or the weekend warrior because it sure is not for the crowd I ride with.
Thank you for your feed back. Peace. Ride safe, respect all who ride, keep the rubber to the road and MLH&R
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on a diet me self , more salad on me burgers :), which part is one off ? it looks like a kit , my mate bought a revtec chassis kit from the states which it took him 9 years to build and about £18,000 , ridgid frame , springer f end , masive wheels , 2000cc , 6 speed box etc . taken that long its a bit of a standing joke and as now out of fashion , goes well in a straight line mind , as you might of guessed im not a fan of these bolt together customs . As for the 1% , the bike , beard etc does not equal 1% , its on your back and its red and white round here with no exceptions , what does D.I.L.L.I.G.F. Club stand for ?
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on a diet me self , more salad on me burgers :), which part is one off ? it looks like a kit , my mate bought a revtec chassis kit from the states which it took him 9 years to build and about £18,000 , ridgid frame , springer f end , masive wheels , 2000cc , 6 speed box etc . taken that long its a bit of a standing joke and as now out of fashion , goes well in a straight line mind , as you might of guessed im not a fan of these bolt together customs . As for the 1% , the bike , beard etc does not equal 1% , its on your back and its red and white round here with no exceptions , what does D.I.L.L.I.G.F. Club stand for ?
My diet eating healthy and lots of exercise and taking the weight off slowly. Oh what do you think I weight in pounds by the picture you see?
1%'er here is in your heart and spirit and always has been. You do not need a patch to prove your salt is worth what you carry inside. Anybody these days can buy a 1%'er patch to look cool. Oh we have Red and White here. We have Black and White too and a whole variety of colors mixed in. People would be amazed how we all get along together. We call it Respect. I will never prospect any club due to I have always been a Loner and have always been respected no matter who I am riding with. That stuff of you cannot ride with so and so is going out of style here in the states at least in my region. We have the wind to enjoy together and good times to share. Screw all that selfish crap. My Back Patches attached.
Oh for D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. Club. That is also old school. "Do I Look Like I Give A F@ck".
Not a kit at all but built from when I bought the frame set up and Unit only and pieced it all together, we here in the states call that a Basket Case.
Kits are entire bikes you buy that come complete in a box and you put together.
The one off is because there is not another exactly like her anywhere. She is a one of a kind and when all done will have that look that just stands apart from others.
Thank you for your feed back. Peace. Ride safe, respect all who ride, keep the rubber to the road and MLH&R
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"Oh what do you think I weight in pounds by the picture you see?" .................... id say abit like me self , perfect weight but me heights wronge , for me weight i need to be 17 feet 3 inch tall . over here you limit your self as to where you can go with the 1% patch/tattoo reguardless of how you feel in your heart , but you can buy one if you want to impress your mates , i think i see what you mean about kits , my mates was a kit (did come in boxes) but yours is a assembly of aftermarket parts bought from different places in differant boxes which you chose your self for that personal touch , and then got your mate to assemble for you under your direction , nice , just out of interest is the finished articule worth what its cost you to have built ? and would you do it again , i only ask as my mates £18,000 , and he did the assembly him self appers to have been money un wisely spent , is this the situation over there .
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just out of interest is the finished articule worth what its cost you to have built ? and would you do it again , i only ask as my mates £18,000 , and he did the assembly him self appers to have been money un wisely spent , is this the situation over there .
So far I have a rough figure of $5k USD into this project. I have about another $2k maybe to put into it to get it to final plus or minus. I'm going to have the wheels rebuilt with new Spokes and rechrome the Rims and Hubs. Powder Coat the Frame and normal paint for Fenders and Tank with some extra graphics included in. Engine will be pulled and total shined, polished and all side covers replaced with new. The old ones are just to beat up to save. I am also going to buy a brand new set of AMAL Concentrics with the new Chrome Slides at a later date. Love the dual carb look and feel to the engine.
It will never be for sale so the cost means nothing to me for the build.
With the big stroker engine your mate purchased and all the other stuff yes he went total over kill and would probably not be able to resell it for what he has into it. Might as well just spit shine polish it and show it.
Over here it is a Buyers Market and not a Sellers Market in our economy.
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"Over here it is a Buyers Market and not a Sellers Market in our economy" ........... same here , daft thing is hes about to start another , this time reversed head T110 hes had for some years , good money after bad , this was my last chop many years ago (thats not me on it ) handled poor
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Nice bike. A reverse head bike is just a novelty. Not something I am into. My ride I have now will be a daily rider. My next bike I buy will be a 2006-2008 Triumph America because I would like to have a nice cruiser that later as I get older I can Trike and still keep riding until I can ride no more and that will probably be enough bikes in my stable unless I find a real great deal on a really old Flat Head,Knuckle or pre 1960's Pan Head. Then I will build another. Nothing much impresses me at all past 1969 but the 2006 - 2008 Triumph America caught my eye after reading all reviews, specs, ride reports, holding their market value and more. They are running from $3k up to $5k USD depending.
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they are about that here but in £ , the few hinkly triumphs ive had have been hard to sell so i steer clear unless cheap . the triples are nice . i did have a pan wish i had still got it , build quality was far far better than the latter shovels and the amf 1340 was one of the worst
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Ya I just found the look and all specs of the 2k6 - 2k8 America's to sweet to pass over and since I buy things for myself I tend not to want to sell them. The only thing I really do not like about post 1970 HD's is everybody has one it seems.
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i know what you mean , not to many shovels about over here , apart from me mates who between them have about 15 , but they are always a secound bike as they all have evos (which i have to say are a very good bike) but i like older stuff
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Get a Speedmaster instead of the America.. at least it has twin front discs
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Get a Speedmaster instead of the America.. at least it has twin front discs
I was looking at that too but I do not mind a single front disc as I am used to the feel. Thanks I will look at those as well. It is just something about the America. :)
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There is only one person you have to please. Build it, paint it, polish it and ride it how you like, it's your bike.
I do appreciate what you have built and how you have gone about it, so good on you! ;)
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There is only one person you have to please. Build it, paint it, polish it and ride it how you like, it's your bike.
I do appreciate what you have built and how you have gone about it, so good on you! ;)
Thank you and that is how I feel about others and their bikes. Do not build to please anybody but yourself. It is not what you ride but that you ride like it used to be back in the older days when all Riders of The Wind truly respected one another because they were all in the wind together and smiling and waving to one another no matter what the other was riding. Heck I have been known to do the 2 finger low wave to the our disabled population in electric scooters because any one of us could be that person.
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Sadly a lot of the younger generation of bike riders in Australia do not wave or 'nod of the head' to other bikes these days. The worst offenders are Harley and BMW riders who seen to think they are better than the rest of us. ::) We are all out there on the road fighting the same problems of weather, cops, bad roads and 'noddys' in cars, etc, so I cannot see what their problem is. I wave to all riders (even the cops and postie) and take the position that it is their loss if they do not return the courtesy. :) :)
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i could not disagree more , what you ride and how you look says a lot in my book , and as for the old days of waveing (is this a gay club?) went out with the AA man , and NO CLUB thats not 1% thats 99% .... keep the rubber on the road and your head in Easy rider . BSH etc ..... or save up and buy some spanners
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It is supposed to be all about Respect. Something some youngsters of these days cast aside. Just my view as a Lone Wolf/No Club individual.
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respect and wave all you like , thats why youll never be 1%
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respect and wave all you like , thats why youll never be 1%
One patch does not a 1%'er make I assure you. It is in your heart and your spirit.
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i think your right 8)
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Yes, really, Wetdog. Well the ones that don't wave are the ones that get passed when they have broken down on the side of the road here in Aus. If they are too tired, lazy, ignorant, etc, to aknowledge me on the road, then why would I stop to help them??? Most riders in this country are ok and will return a gesture if they can, but there are a few who don't.
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note to self . must wave more . bit of a pain as it means takin me hand out me mits but ill try :)
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What I do like When I“ve pulled to the nearside to let a biker come by is the wave of the leg to acknowledge, usually in France, rarely in England. I live on a narrow winding hill and when I meet an oncoming car I usually back up for them but very very rarely do they even look let alone wave in appreciation. Too many selfish, ill mannered people in the world today, they come on holiday and think they“ve bought the place.
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Even a tip of the head or a tip of the helmet in their direction and even just dropping the hand down to your left side is not a hard thing to do, takes only 5 seconds and you ride on enjoying the journey. I was transiting my GF's cheapo Chinese knock off 250cc ZhongChen Scooter to our practice location for her and in my full riding gear and a group of mixed bike riders were coming up the other way and I dropped the hand down and 2 fingers and the ride leader did the same in kind as well as others. It is all about Respect for others on the road and no matter what you or they ride. If somebody does not wave back no big deal but at least I recognized their freedom they are enjoying just as I am.
Peace and MLH&R
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In some cases they are too scared to let go of the handlebar, may lose control. I ride a BM and always wave or nod, my mate rides a HD he says he cannot wave 400 metres before or after a set of lights,roundabout,left or right turn, too busy controlling the damn thing.
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he might want to take a look at that , what year harley are we talking about here , there not normaly that bad (not as good as some i know)
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You will have us wearing bells and doing bunny runs before long
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You will have us wearing bells and doing bunny runs before long
Nothing like doing a Toy Run to a Children's Hospital and handing a Child a Toy and they smile and melt your heart or a Blanket Run to a Elderly Retirement Home or Vet Home and the smile you receive, the hand shake and the warm Thank You's.
Ya I'll do those types of runs all the time. Runs I do not like to pop up in my email box are Flag Lines for Deceased Vets. I see those daily in my Email Inbox.
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I'm afraid none of the above floats my boat and would never be seen at any of them. I presume the ocean between us is as big as the cultural differences.
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I'm afraid none of the above floats my boat and would never be seen at any of them. I presume the ocean between us is as big as the cultural differences.
Apparently so.
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"I'm afraid none of the above floats my boat and would never be seen at any of them" ........ sorry to say same here but i do suport the local childrens hospice , takes a bigger person than ill ever be to work there .......... did go on a anti helmet run in the 70s once organised by MAG from wolverhampton , i took my helmet off and rode into bham where i got stopped , i was latter fined £40 (no points) , but noticed that the mag members wore there helments and some had dayglo jackets on :-\, bunch of toss*ers the lot of them .
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"Did go on a anti helmet run in the 70s once organised by MAG from wolverhampton , i took my helmet off and rode into bham where i got stopped , i was latter fined £40 (no points) , but noticed that the mag members wore there helments and some had dayglo jackets on :-\, " that's sounds about right... sadly
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Over on this side of The Pond once my ride is all legal with a Plate on her and the engine work done and the other little things I can get back into going to the Patriot Guard Rider Missions, back into the Toy Runs, Veterans Home Runs and the like. It is all about Respect.
Not dogging anybody for what they do but it takes a big hearted person on that motorcycle to humble themselves in their heart to take the short amount of time to make a smile come to the face of a small child, a Vet who's family might have abandoned them in a Vet's Home or to stand in a Flag Line or do escort service for a fallen soldier or a soldier from wars long ago who has finally passed on.
To each their own. Ride safe, keep the rubber to the road, MLH&R but always remember this. That child you take a toy to could be the friend of your own child, that Vet might have served with your Dad or Grandfather, that soldier you escort to their final resting place voluntarily gave up their life so you can have yours today.
No greater love hath a man than he should lay down his own life for his friends. Peace.
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i agree with what you say ....... but to stop all these (service ) charity runs you might start by bringing home all our men and women and leave these countrys to sort out there own problems (the way it used to be) , also deal with the ones that are here in the UK with the returning forces , the UK is far far to PC and the europen human right is out of control , just took us over 10 years and over a £million (i think more) to get rid of a idiot preacher , and we still let his wife and kids stay so he will be back >:( when i say got rid he volentered to go in the end after all he had asked for was in place , total disgrace for our so called goverment and twisted human right bill
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You know bring all forces home is not going to happen because it is all over money.
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sad but true :-\
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Human greed is a terrible thing.
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The Engine Shop
Well the news is we are in the Engine Shop for a complete rebuild. That is the best way to make sure this T120R Unit is going to be as solid as it can be.
Engine Top End has been tore down and there are some issues with the Head and the Jugs but the Mechanic assured me that they can all potentially be fixed and made right.
The other issue was the Bottom End is one of the Connecting Rods was to tight onto the Crank Journal so we decided we are into it this far we might as well just go all the way into it and pull the Crank, check EVERYTHING inside and do the job correctly.
This includes a brand new set of AMAL Concentrics as well.
So what I will have when all is said and done is a brand new and fresh professionally built T120R Unit I know I can rely on.
Oh I forgot to mention it has been bored out .80 over. The Engine Builder said we might have to take the Cylinders out just a tiny bit more but he assured me there is plenty to work with.
I think he is like a kid in a candy store getting to work on my bike. The man is very cool and very straight forward.
Until the next update. Keep the rubber to the road, please respect all who ride and MLH&R.
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i did not know you could buy +80 pistons , i understand that the later 750 topends can be used but the case mouth needs opening and rods changing , why dont you invest in some tools , it must be costing a fortune
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Cost does not matter is the bike will never be fore sale and I do not have the proper machinery nor the clean room to assemble it all again properly.
That is the huge difference between a Professionally Rebuilt Unit and a Garage Rebuilt Unit. The Professional has ALL of the tools and Clean Room to do the job correctly. The Garage Rebuilder just relies on what is around him. Besides I get a nice GUARANTEE with the Professional Rebuild unlike if I did it myself. Costs? Being the bike is NOT for sale I have roughly $5.5k into it to get it to this point. Another $1.5k max will go into the Engine Unit and another $1.5k plus or minus into the final on the entire chassis. Ya she going to make me a very fine daily rider.
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hes brave giving a GUARANTEE with a triumph engine , unless hes going to run it in himself , triumph had all sorts of problems
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Well this is a 1965 T120R 40ci 650cc dual carbs unit(well 675cc now) and built like a brick is solid. I'll take it over a HD Engine of the same year any day. Oh and it does not leak any oil either. Cases tight as can be. Will be even better once rebuilt.
He specializes in Brit Bikes and has customers that come up to his shop from all over the San Joaquin Valley area for service and more. I have seen some very lovely pre 1969 BSA's, Norton's and Triumph's in his shop since going there these past two months. It is only like 30 miles from my house too. All others are 50 miles or more away.
My entire Rigid Bobber is sitting on his roll on motorcycle lift so he has EVERYTHING right there to tear down, rebuild it, reinstall back into the chassis(yes it ran when I took it into him and very strong at that for a tired improperly rebuilt Unit) and he told me the entire processes of pre torque on assembly, warm up, cool down, re-torque and he said this is a three times over process with one short ride and then one long ride before final re-torque and ready to go home. That is how he says he does all re builds he does and can offer a guarantee on his work. Gotta love the old school builders.
Same with the entire Clutch Basket in ensuring that everything inside is done and settled in properly. That is why I decided to go with brand new AMAL's too is because the old AMAL Barrels Body's used t warp from the heat. The new AMAL's are manufactured from better materials, Chrome Slides and by all the reviews and talking to others they stay in tune far longer than expected.
The Engine Builder also builds Race Engines for Dirt Bikes for a lot of the local dirt track folks.
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sounds great , how longs the guarantee ? torque sounds good (i only do mine twice second time after about 100 miles with solid copper gasget) the reason Amals go out of tune is due mostly to other varriations within the engine and cables , heat transfer can be a issue (maybe more so over there) easy to overcome , not seen any warped due to heat just thro over tightening of flange nuts , i have never had a new amal but heard they are good . one of the biggest improvments is to get shut of the points . with it running so well and leaking no oil i am surprised you are having it rebuilt
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No points. Boyer Ignition ;D Tossed the points plate into the spares box.
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they are a weak point I think , boyer works well , as does the cheaper wassel unit , how long is the guarantee , is it the out of sight one
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He has not told me that as the Engine is still in pieces. He said he will call me or I will call him or my Wife Unit and I will take a leisurely drive to go see him. I'm sure it will be a more than fair guarantee. We have some real fine old school Engine Builders all over the states. They just do not advertise heavily and let word of mouth from their customers do the talking. Peace.
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i would build it yourself , its nice to know what your riding , I doubt your guarantee will be worth the paper its NOT writen on , you need a set of ring clamps , a good socket set , talk wench (not spelt like that) , dial gauge and you half way there , you will get a lot of satisfaction and pay more attention to the detail im sure . as for 1965 Harleys (I still think a good bike pre AMF) over distance I would say the Harley is the better bike .
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You build yours and I will build mine deal? I'm not going to sit here and argue with ya. I tend to stand behind and up for those I have work on my bike and I really DO NOT have any respect for those talking ANY kind of smack talk about them especially those over seas. Heard this same stuff for far to many years and all my life F.T.S.
I come to forums like this not for the old timers on the scene who think they know it all but for the new up and comers. If I had a decent garage/shop with a "clean area", ALL the tools and equipment required like Welders, Drill Press, Grinders and other tools of the trade I would be doing a lot of my own but since I don't I entrust that work to professionals who do. Money means NOTHING on this build to me. The bike is NOT for sale anyway.
After I am done with this ride in the respective build shops I use rebuilding from rear spoke nipple to front spoke nipple and EVERYTHING in between I will have a damn fine fresh ride and I will know exactly what it will do and wont do and it will be far better than buying somebody elses P.O.S. with it's headaches and nightmarish junk.
Hell I'm building a brand new bike from the frame up and in the process preserving a fine vintage 1965 T120R 650cc Unit that might have ended up in a scrap shredder which is where a lot of them are these days. Shredded and shipped over to China for scrap. F@#kThatStuff.
Now run along and go have a nice Pint on me at your local pub and do not worry yourself much about what this ole Yank across The Pond is building for himself. Rest assured this ole vintage Triumph Unit is going to be so sweet and will be returned to the wind to retake her proper place along side others of her kind as a daily rider and be very well cared for.
Until the next update if I post one after this round of B.S. Peace.
**Oh and Dear Admins and Mods if I have offended anybody with this post my apologies but sometimes an old Biker just has to set the record straight when others are talking the smack they really have absolutely no clue WTH the whole situation is. It takes a village rings very true in this point. ::)
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;D ;D ;D................. and the guarantee ? us old timers dont use , Welders, Drill Press, Grinders , when rebuilding a t120 , are you sure it was running ok , watch your blood pressure you might pop a vein and buy a Suzuki
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It bis not what you ride but that you ride. My other bike is my Wife's 250cc ZhongChen Scooter w/auto trans she is learning on before we upgrade her to a Honda 300cc Series Scooter being she only weights in at 120lbs with full gear on. It should fly like a 600 Ninja under her. Might have to put Velcro and a seat belt for her too. ;)
You seem more worried about the guarantee than I am and it is NOT even your bike ROLMFAO. Go have a Pint or ten or a Xanax.
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i thought it was you that used the guarantee as a reson for not trying to build the engine , im not interested in your wife but thanks for the offer , i dont know what Xanax is , your to easy
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I'm happy that your building what YOU want. Good on you for doing so and enjoy your ride.
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same here , I'm happy that your having built what YOU want , Good on you for doing so and enjoy your ride.
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Wetdog, is he perhaps getting cheesed off because another summer“s gone and he“s still not got it back, I“m glad I didn“t get involved with this one. My father took 4 days to build a preunit Triumph but they very rarely broke.
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Wetdog, is he perhaps getting cheesed off because another summer“s gone and he“s still not got it back, I“m glad I didn“t get involved with this one. My father took 4 days to build a preunit Triumph but they very rarely broke.
I've been in the wind all Summer long on the Wife Unit's 250cc scoot. It is not what you ride but that you ride. Mine is more like fine wine and just keeps getting better the longer it ferments in the shop. Mad? Not even. This sweet ride is completely worth the wait.
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" My father took 4 days to build a preunit Triumph but they very rarely broke" ................ that's faster than me , ive been building a thunderbird for about 10 years and its still far from finished :-\
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" My father took 4 days to build a preunit Triumph but they very rarely broke" ................ that's faster than me , ive been building a thunderbird for about 10 years and its still far from finished :-\
Wonder what kind of guarantee comes with that? ::)
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none , im building it myself inc the engine , i invested in some tools many years ago
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none , im building it myself inc the engine , i invested in some tools many years ago
Hate to be you if it scrams itself huh but then again better you than me.
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if it does i only have myself to blame and will not look to sue anyone else (american sport) i spend 99% of my time building and the rest riding , i look forwards to things going wrong and take pride in fixing them , how sad is that , i dont like the machine you are building (no surprise) but would be embaressed riding it out in case any one asked a technical Q and my reply was "i dont know as i payed somone else to do that" but like you say its in your heart so ride your wifes scooter and enjoy it , she had that built by a nice chinese man/woman/child
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What ever floats your boat I have always said.
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I must admit I like time spent in the workshop probably more than riding although I do about 10000 miles a year on bikes. I'm not a trained engineer but I love the problems old bikes throw at you and the learning curve of making them good again.
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I love the problems old bikes throw at you and the learning curve of making them good again.
So do I and I am slowly learning.
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Guaranteed 12 wins out of 12 races at wallasey, see photo
9 wins out of 9 races at Southport. Lots more besides and only 4 teachests full of trophies to show for it. If you are restoring a Triumph check very carefully the nuts welded on the back of the oiltank because when they crack off the tank is only hanging on the pipes by the back footrest.
4 days is only the engine, I done the running gear. And yes that included the oil tank.