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British Bikes / Re: ACME aussie bike
« on: June 11, 2025, 12:03:21 PM »
That pic of painting the tanks is a good un ! We wonder what an infrared oven was though ??

Sorry R, I missed that when we turned the page. "Infrared" suggests the oven/parts are heated by radiant heat (radiation) rather than a gas flame in the oven heating the air (convection). I suppose the "things" on the side of the oven in the photo are infrared heating elements - think mini/very low power electric bar heaters. No air movement so no dust.

I don't mind the Acme. If I had a farm to potter around I might bid at $2000.

Leon

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British Bikes / Re: Villiers XIIC 148cc doesn’t run anymore
« on: June 08, 2025, 07:11:28 AM »
Ditto. Also time to check the main shafts for wear and roundness - the wear is some distance in from the end so if the shafts are not parallel and round your new bushes will be wasted.

Also the bushes need to be in line when you're all done. I usually make them a thou (0.001") under size, then ease them out with an adjustable reamer fitted with a pilot. The pilot fits into the bush in the opposite side of the crank case to keep the reamer parallel while its cutting. Not a difficult job, but you need the right tool. (I borrow my adjustable reamers from a friend who has a boxed selection - last forever if only used on phospor bronze.)

Leon

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British Bikes / Re: Troubleshooting a JAP Special
« on: June 05, 2025, 01:45:44 AM »
Wow, that's quite a nice piece of hardware. Particularly for £130, which probably wouldn't cover the cost of supply/fit new valves.

Re a potential new carb: If you're planning just to ride the bike on the road you might want to try the existing carb first. 1.25" is a seriously large carburettor; for example a 500cc works TT racer used a 1 7/32 carb - 1.2188" - in the 1930s, with a big megaphone, 6000+ rpm, bump start and very little idling. With a muffler and road riding, your existing carb might be fine.

Pleased the crank is going to an expert.

Leon

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British Bikes / Re: Villiers XIIC 148cc doesn’t run anymore
« on: June 02, 2025, 05:11:23 AM »
Is it sucking in false air through the bronze bushings on the crankshaft?

It will if the main shafts or the bushes are worn: the shafts and bushes need to be round with only a thou or two clearance (say 0.025-0.05 mm). You definitely should not feel any movement if you grab the flywheel and try to move it up and down. If it clunks you're in trouble! The other place that wear occurs in early two strokes is in the bore: not so much up the top (as it is in four strokes) but above and below the ports where the rings jump across. And the rings, of course.

If these parts are worn the bike will probably still run, but will get hot an bothered when riding. If you've got good compression - it really should be quite "sharp" as you kick it over - then wear is probably not the problem at the moment.

Leon

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British Bikes / Re: ACME aussie bike
« on: June 01, 2025, 05:49:42 AM »
Yes "maker" is good, or even "builder". Both are probably more accurate than "manufacturer". "Assembler" is a bit special, and in my mind I keep this for those who opened the crate and literally put the parts together. There was a bit of this in Australia in the early days: I suspect the Sun Villiers in veteran years is a good example. Most Australian makers/builders started with imported lugs and parts, and local "vision", and went from there.

Rims either side of the WW2 years is an interesting topic! It turns out that bicycle and motorcycle rims were on the list of controlled imports and were probably not available from, say, 1940 until January 1946 when they were removed from the list. I recall Malvern Star had to massively retool to keep bicycle production going during the war. Anyway, here are some extracts referring to imports of rims (and engines, hubs, and other unclassified parts) after the ban was lifted. 70 bundles of motorcycle wheel rims!

I wonder if the pause in Acme production between 1941 and 1947 was due to shortage of items like rims.

Leon

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British Bikes / Re: ACME aussie bike
« on: May 30, 2025, 01:19:41 PM »
The booklet "The Story of Bennett and Wood Pty. Ltd." was published in 1949, the year that the company's own Acme motorcycle gave way to the BSA Bantam. Unsurprisingly, the Acme motorcycle is not mentioned at all. But they do comment that the motor cycle factory was established in Wentworth Ave "over ten years ago" - say around 1938/9 - which ties in nicely with the beginning of Acme production for 1939. They could enamel sheet metal (see attached), they had a plating works (shown plating handlebars that they presumably made), they had frame jigs and brazing in the Speedwell Cycle Factory, and a huge spare parts and accessory department. In a nutshell, I believe that they did "manufacture" the Acme motorcycle.

Leon

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British Bikes / Re: ACME aussie bike
« on: May 30, 2025, 12:17:32 PM »
The building on the left is Bennett & Wood's "Motor Cycle Factory and Repair Centre", in Wentworth Ave, Sydney, as it was in 1949, at the end of Acme production. Sadly no photos found of the Acme production line (if there was one).

Leon

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British Bikes / Re: ACME aussie bike
« on: May 30, 2025, 11:01:45 AM »
I've looked pretty hard, but I have no direct evidence of local manufacture. However if a local firm of repute (like Bennett & Wood, one of the best known cycle/motor houses in Sydney for 50+ years) say that their bike is "Manufactured in Australia" there's every chance they are not lying. Simply not worth making something like this up if it isn't (largely) true.

There are comments in the 1939 press like, "... an unusually large proportion of the Acme motorcycle has been locally built" and "In appearance, this newcomer, with its Australian-built frame, is "easy" to look at."

It wouldn't surprise me if the frame was locally built, and maybe guards, tank, spokes, rims, handlebars, levers,... leaving the engine/gear unit, fork, saddle, lights... imported from the UK, then the whole thing assembled here? More or less.

We mustn't forget that there was active industry in Australia at the time. Beginning around 1940, for example, Tilbrook in Adelaide made a wide selection of parts and accessories for motorcycles.

But yes, it would be fun to know exactly what went on!

Leon



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British Bikes / Re: ACME aussie bike
« on: May 30, 2025, 04:50:36 AM »
And of course the exhaust system as shown on the Powerhouse example is straight James ML...

Yep, but the real Acme setup was different: teardrops pre-war and rayguns post-war.

Leon

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British Bikes / Re: ACME aussie bike
« on: May 30, 2025, 04:38:21 AM »
Unlike Williams Bros' Waratah, Bennett & Wood's Acme probably had a decent amount of Australian content. At least if claims in the contemporary press are to be believed.

In particular, the frame was said to be made in Australia. This is possible: I've not seen a British lightweight with a frame of the Acme design. Happy to be proved wrong!

Leon

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British Bikes / Re: ACME aussie bike
« on: May 28, 2025, 10:48:53 PM »
That would be a bit of fun as an old-school dirt bike, but pretty optimistic pricing. Expensive to restore from there.

Interesting about the "Tilbrook" head - not something I know a lot about, but Tilbrook built lots of replacement parts so might be true. I've had a look through my Tilbrook stuff and can't confirm that the head comes from them.

Nice to see clear photos of the engine and frame numbers. Combined with the features, confirms c1948 build.

Cheers

Leon

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British Bikes / Re: Troubleshooting a JAP Special
« on: May 14, 2025, 02:59:45 PM »
"I'm just pondering the wisdom of splitting the crank up to check the big-end bearings..."

Yes it's a tricky one, perhaps depending on what you want to do with the bike. If you do pull it apart keep in mind that it is tricky to get it back together and running dead true. If you've not done it before best left to an expert? I've done it lots of times, and most often it's gone ok. Only once did it defeat me entirely (i.e. no better than a couple of thou run-out on the shafts after trying everything I know) and I had to pass it on to the expert who used appropriate (unknown to me) magic to get it running just so.

The epoxy is interesting. Often cases an an engine can be quite porous to oil and painting the inside with something (glyptal, expoxy of some kind) can keep the outside clean. Hopefully there's no major corrosion being covered up.

Leon

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Identify these bikes! / Re: Villiers stationairy engine
« on: May 14, 2025, 09:27:00 AM »
Thanks 33d6, very interesting. I wonder if Villiers reset their numbering for the GYF engines, if only because of this bike that is claimed to have engine number GYF2612: https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/61-1937-francis-barnett-plover-41/?lot=10584&sd=1

That said, I only take numbers seriously when I have seen them for myself! Plenty of scope for mis-reading or mis-transcribing.

Also difficult is engine swaps: I assume the '1939' Andy Tiernan bike could easily have an earlier engine fitted at some time?

Anyway, my interest in these little 147/148cc engines come mostly trying to understand better the little Australian bikes of the 1920s, mostly Elliotts here in SA and Waratahs in NSW. Engines are now under control, but frame numbers are problematic. Waratah had mostly just Sun numbers, having been built (I believe) in the UK, whereas Elliott built up their own frames and stamped their own numbers, sometimes very badly! But after half a century of cobbling together cheap and cheerful little vintage bikes its a bit hard to make sense of some of them. Others with established provenance make perfect sense!

Cheers

Leon

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Identify these bikes! / Re: Villiers stationairy engine
« on: May 13, 2025, 04:54:22 PM »
There seem to be a lot of GY-prefix engines used in little Francis Barnetts in the 1930s, like this one: https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/29728/lot/229/1933-francis-barnett-148cc-lapwing-27-frame-no-c27176-engine-no-gy-4934/

Some of them have a GYF prefix. What does the 'F' mean, and was there a serial number reset to go along with it?

Leon

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Identify these bikes! / Re: Villiers stationairy engine
« on: May 11, 2025, 07:49:17 PM »
I'm no expert, but I think the XII-C was introduced in about 1931, and this one might be c1933? No doubt 33d6 can be more authoritative. As i mentioned above, start dates are useful, but it's more interesting to know for how long a particular style of engine was built and used... Always interesting to see an engine like this in its original bike, so that the bike dates the engine rather than vice-versa.

Leon

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