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Identify these bikes! / Re: Verify/ID 197CC SUN
« on: February 08, 2021, 08:50:17 AM »
I've tried to get some better shots of those numbers on the bottom of the seat tube - these are not stampings but raised numbers (like the swing arm could they be casting numbers?) - short of removing the engine and also totally paint-stripping the frame I'm not sure I can get any better images than these (I have a VW bus on the go at the moment so the SUN is not getting pulled apart for some time hehe!).

The numbers to me read S15(splat)2 - would you agree?

Identify these bikes! / Re: Verify/ID 197CC SUN
« on: February 08, 2021, 08:44:03 AM »
Be very careful with that muffler. The outlet pipe should have a much smaller diameter than the front header pipe.
I would expect it to be about 60-62% of the front pipe coming out of the cylinder. Quite small in fact.

The muffler I have isn't for this bike, as said its tiny, something more like a 100cc engine not a 200cc, there is no chance I'd even try and make it fit.

Identify these bikes! / Re: Verify/ID 197CC SUN
« on: February 06, 2021, 07:44:18 AM »
Look familiar. 1953 model.

Do you have the exhaust/muffler still ?

I have a muffler for it but it's a tiny bore, I suspect its for something like a 97cc engine, there is a collar screwed onto the barrel and that's it unfortunately.

I'll get some better images of frame numbers a soon as I can, thanks everyone for helping me, I really didn't know if I'd get any responses and the info so far is great!

Can anyone provide info (even just rough) on how many of these there are still in existence and any Sun owners club? I'm very new to the world of vintage bike ownership and am still to start on the rebuild path, I have a rusty VW bus on my driveway to finish rebuilding first ;D

Identify these bikes! / Re: Verify/ID 197CC SUN
« on: February 04, 2021, 06:33:45 PM »
Here are a few more pics of frame and engine numbers, I cant seem to get a decent pic...think the camera on my phone isnt great  :-[

Hope these help those with way more knowledge than I guys are amazing!


Identify these bikes! / Verify/ID 197CC SUN
« on: February 03, 2021, 12:47:11 PM »
Hi all,
Looking to verify this is a 197CC Villiers SUN Challenger. It was left to me after my father passed away last year, he acquired it some 46 years ago when we lived in Northern Ireland. Unfortunately I have no documents or photos of it other than a few bits of paper my dad scribbled the registration and engine/frame number on!

The front wheel is in backwards and the seat is plonked on there - this was done to keep it complete as a bike and move it about.

Codes on the bike as below:

frame (headstock): S148A
plunger (could be a casting mark?): 4-101 and a triangle symbol
base of vertical tube under the seat: S18?? (looks over stamped on the last digit)
engine: 517 7882 E
Code on base of the barrel: VJ 6 B7095A

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