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British Bikes / Corrrect Speedo for a D3 Bantam
« on: August 25, 2021, 08:10:30 PM »
Hey folks,

Which scale is the correct one for a D3 Bantam (a D shaped smiths speedo) - 55, 65 or 70 mph? Am trying to find out for a friend with a D3 and we are seeing images of all three speedo's on the web!

thanks

Doug

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British Bikes / Re: 6" headlamp shell but lights are 5 3/4?
« on: August 06, 2021, 04:09:43 PM »
A battery in situ, as it were ... ?



The 'de Luxe' tag may indicate it has a battery ?

You're onto something there - especially with that image! there isn't any lugs/holes for a battery on the frame so I'm guessing its a clamp around the seat tube battery cage affair....something for another thread, or maybe I rename this one!  ;D

Thanks for the image - all helpful stuff!

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British Bikes / Re: 6" headlamp shell but lights are 5 3/4?
« on: August 05, 2021, 03:01:32 PM »

Do you have a lightswitch ??

In my (earlier) style Villiers (Miller) headlamp, the only fitting in the headlamp (apart from the bulbs and reflector) is a lightswitch.

I can't help wondering if yours should be the same. ??
Batteries were a rather late addition to becoming standard on a bike.
And if there is no obvious place to fit one, maybe it didn't have one...
There is a flip switch on the left side of the handlebars that also has a press button (assuming horn). There isn't anywhere obvious that a battery carrier would bolt to ( in terms of lugs/holes etc.), my gut feeling is it was direct lighting and my dad was either in the process of 'upgrading' it or someone before him did and never finished the job off.

Its all very curious stuff and good fun learning for me!

I have to also say at this point - many thanks to everyone for your comments and help - you are a grand bunch of people!

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British Bikes / Re: 6" headlamp shell but lights are 5 3/4?
« on: August 04, 2021, 11:14:14 AM »
Only the battery models would have needed/used an ammeter ?

good point - mine has an ammeter but no battery, that said I'm still learning what is missing from the bike, what it should have had on it and also what its had added to it!

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British Bikes / Re: 6" headlamp shell but lights are 5 3/4?
« on: August 03, 2021, 03:03:25 PM »
well whaddaya know!
Kept digging about and this tipped up eBay which is the very same as mine!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/402997716340





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British Bikes / Re: 6" headlamp shell but lights are 5 3/4?
« on: August 03, 2021, 12:36:08 PM »
MU42 is the common type where the switch panel (inc ammeter) is mounted on top of the shell, and often seen on 1940s bikes. I wouldn't think this would have been original for a post-war lightweight though.

Both shells I have have the same fitting for the switch panel and ammeter so I could move them over - they are different in design though with regard to how the rim is held in place, the 6 inch one has a notch and also a hole at 12 O'clock, a slight flared section from about 4 to 7 O'clock, a cut out at 6 O'clock and another at 11 O'clock - I've tried to take some more pics of the shell that I think is the correct one (the smaller one).

https://photos.app.goo.gl/tk1XNbUCVN7kFMdQ6

https://photos.app.goo.gl/AeKwh62ux3ASoVsv6


The larger Lucas shell is clearly different in the rim design
https://photos.app.goo.gl/LjJU4ZxLg9CpZPMw7


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British Bikes / Re: 6" headlamp shell but lights are 5 3/4?
« on: August 03, 2021, 10:56:36 AM »
And, as a final quality control check (!), what does your shell have to lock the rim in place ?

There must be a dozen types of such, usually appearing at 6 o'clock (BDC).
Slot, hole, tang, rivet, etc ??

And, as a final quality control check (!), what does your shell have to lock the rim in place ?

There must be a dozen types of such, usually appearing at 6 o'clock (BDC).
Slot, hole, tang, rivet, etc ??

I'm afraid with the paint it too thick or there is nothing stamped on the shell - I had a good look around and couldn't see anything.

There is a box of bits that came with the bike though and there is a very similar (bit rusty at the moment!) 7 inch shell in there which is marked up as MU42 - I'm in a quandary now as I'm not sure what size shell is the correct one, guessing the smaller one (later battery equipped SUN's might have gone up a size)?

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British Bikes / Re: 6" headlamp shell but lights are 5 3/4?
« on: August 02, 2021, 06:56:27 AM »
Perhaps we should have begun by asking precisely what bike/year/model this was for.
No chance of wrongly assuming anything then ...


It's a 1953 Sun challenger (plunger) 197cc. A far as I know its the original light shell. I didn't mention make /model as Sun info seems to be sparse at best!

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British Bikes / 6" headlamp shell but lights are 5 3/4?
« on: August 01, 2021, 07:16:16 PM »
Another day and another newbie question from me!
Can people advise if these
https://villiersservices.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=21_22_34&products_id=1024
https://villiersservices.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=21_22_34&products_id=748

....will fit this....
https://photos.app.goo.gl/4YG46Ww8L1bGVNJX9
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ceb51ZyrftomLXVB8

I'm struggling to be sure if what I'm looking for sale is a 6 inch headlight even though they show as 5 3/4! 🤔

Sorry if I'm being dim!

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The Classic Biker Bar / Re: Where to get a speedo hub drive from?
« on: July 29, 2021, 04:52:06 PM »

Nothing, a) because I'm sensible enough to slow down when I hit a 30mph zone or near a school etc where there just might be 1:100 chance of a copper with a speed gun and b) neither me nor anyone else I ride old bikes with is going to ride on dual carriageways, motorways etc at a speed over and above that of the surrounding traffic....if at all.
Having a working speedo is nice, but we're not talking FireBlades or Hayabusas here. 8) You've really got to try to break speed limits on a pre-war Ariel or Panther...

From my perspective it was more passing an initial MOT to get the bike registered again, I guess (possibly wrongly?) that any road going vehicle needs to have a working speedo and I suspected a bicycle one may not 'pass the test', if people are using these then its an easy win!  :D

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The Classic Biker Bar / Re: Where to get a speedo hub drive from?
« on: July 29, 2021, 01:53:36 PM »
Easy. You use a push bike speedo. One of those diddly things that clip on and off the handlebars and measure your speed via a magnet attached to the front wheel.

Are they classed as road legal? I need to register my bike (when I get there with it) as its has no V5, as part of that process would a pushbike speedo suffice?

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The Classic Biker Bar / Re: Where to get a speedo hub drive from?
« on: July 28, 2021, 10:10:09 PM »
Empty or damaged bodies aren't so rare, so on my old Empire Star the drive was a dummy and the speedo was just for show.


What did you do for a working speedo?

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The Classic Biker Bar / Where to get a speedo hub drive from?
« on: July 27, 2021, 06:51:18 PM »
Howdy all,

Looking to source a speedo hub drive for a rearwheel - something like the one attached to the rearwheel of this (bit hard to see it clearly I know!):

https://31091799-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/clear1garage/two-wheels/sun-motorcycle/Sun motorcycle.jpg

The internals for it I can get from here:
https://villiersservices.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=21_42_157&products_id=822

But I've no idea where to get the 90* drive box that connects to the brake plate

Any help greatly appreciated.

thanks
Doug

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Identify these bikes! / Re: Verify/ID 197CC SUN
« on: July 08, 2021, 10:56:18 AM »
I finally found the frame number with the help of someone in the Villiers group on FaceBook!

As for the exhaust I found an engine it goes with too - looks like its a 1F engine I (again from people on the Villiers FB group)

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Identify these bikes! / Re: Verify/ID 197CC SUN
« on: February 08, 2021, 08:50:17 AM »
I've tried to get some better shots of those numbers on the bottom of the seat tube - these are not stampings but raised numbers (like the swing arm could they be casting numbers?) - short of removing the engine and also totally paint-stripping the frame I'm not sure I can get any better images than these (I have a VW bus on the go at the moment so the SUN is not getting pulled apart for some time hehe!).

The numbers to me read S15(splat)2 - would you agree?

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