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The Classic Biker Bar / Re: Looking for photo from 1950
« on: February 01, 2009, 10:45:02 PM »
I know those adverts you describe. Somewhere I have a photo of me on my Matchless taken at the site of the Australian ad. Of course it looks nothing like it did back in the 1950's but it was fun going there and doing it.
 Ask Pooks Motor Books if they have a copy. I have bought magazines as early as 1924 from them and they were all in good condition.
They have a website, www.pooksmotorbooks.co.uk. I'm sure your grandfather would be impressed with a good original magazine.
Cheers,

977
The Classic Biker Bar / Re: Unleaded fuel & fibreglass tanks
« on: November 10, 2008, 12:09:13 AM »
I think the remarks about early fibreglass Commando tanks leaking confirms the need to check the outer gel coat  and renew it. That also includes the outer gel coat on the inside of the tank. Remember those tanks are hitting the 40 year old mark now so will need refurbishing as a matter of course.
I went through all this with a Montesa King Scorpion tank (also fibreglass, also from the 70's). Being a two-stroke unleaded is the fuel of choice with possible additional ethanol plus it has the usual two-stroke oil in the fuel also.
The tank leaked when I got the bike. I had it professionally refurbished by a firm that knew what it was doing. The finished result looked beautiful, didn't leak and still wasn't leaking when I sold the bike some years later.
I'll stick to my guns and repeat the major issue with fibreglass tanks is lack of maintenance, not the fuel put through it.
Cheers,  

978
The Classic Biker Bar / Re: Unleaded fuel & fibreglass tanks
« on: November 08, 2008, 03:52:24 AM »
I think unleaded fuel has been blamed for anything you can think of from the Great Fire of London to climate change.
Given time the outer gel coat on all fibreglass tanks will start to crack and craze. When this gets bad enough it will allow any fuel to penetrate the substrate and eventually the tank will start to leak here and there.
As unleaded fuel is relatively new and many fibreglass tanks were around long before it was introduced I think you would find the leaking tank was in desperate need of recoating long before the unleaded was put in it.
It isn't the unleaded fuel, it's lack of maintenance.
Cheers,

979
The Classic Biker Bar / Re: help finding info on old bikes
« on: July 08, 2008, 10:31:11 AM »
The bike has chain drive to a gear box then belt drive from the gear box to the rear wheel. Unless it is an ex-military bike this system dates from 1919, immediately after WWI to the early 1920's. Belt drive for large bikes like this lasted until 1923-24 or thereabouts and slightly longer for lightweights.
The separate countershaft gear box (mainly 2 speed) was just coming on the scene when WWI started in fact the early model H Triumphs supplied to the Army had hub gears not a gearbox as we know it and the original CS type 3 speed gear box was only fitted to the Model H Triumph well after the war was underway.
Civilian motorcycle production was halted in 1916 and didn't start again til the war was over so unles ex military there was very little chance of a bike like this being built before 1919.
To me, everything about the style of the bike cries out early 1920's and looking though our own old family albums the clothing styles seem to be late 20's, 30's.

980
The Classic Biker Bar / Re: Malvern Star Autocycle
« on: April 14, 2008, 04:44:29 PM »
There is one for sale on Australian e-Bay right now.
Cheers, Bob

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The Classic Biker Bar / Re: 6volt LED replacement bulbs
« on: March 14, 2008, 05:57:05 AM »
Have gone down this exact path for the same reasons myself intending to use the LED replacement on a two-stroke with 'direct' lighting where the AC current delivered rises and falls with engine revs.
Talked it over with the manufacturer who did NOT recommend their use in this situation. He said they were liable to burn out if the current rose too high.
His were intended for use in a circuit where the electricity supplied was fairly stable within fairly tight parameters.
In my case this meant a bridge rectifier to convert the AC to DC so as to charge a battery plus a zener diode to cope with any excess current. All perfectly normal motorcycle practice but not the cheap and primitive circuit as fitted by the maker donkeys years ago.
Not being an electrickery man it took a little while to get my head around the difference between current and voltage but I slowly got there.
Tis the way to go though, isn't it. You get brighter lights from the same old charging system!
Cheers, Bob

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The Classic Biker Bar / Re: What is Vintage
« on: May 14, 2006, 06:38:29 PM »
To be really pedantic the vintage era is up to 31st December 1930. This was first arrived at by the English Vintage Sports Car Club and has been accepted internationally ever since.
There are many who consider their interest "vintage" and call themselves "vintage" but aren't, The Vintage Japanese Motorcycle Club springs to mind. Not having a go at excellent Japanese bikes, merely the people who thought of the name. There is now Vintage motocross, again no vintage bikes there.
There is a great interest in old vehicles of all sorts and ages but as above, nothing vintage since 31/12/30. Doesn't matter what your mate or the blokes down the pub say.
Cheers, Bob

983
Identify these bikes! / Re: I think its an FB falcon
« on: November 18, 2009, 12:15:12 AM »
Hi again,
UUM identifies the bike as a 1954 Falcon Series II model 67. The engine number prefix for that model is 387A so the number as given is a bit of a mystery. Not to worry, Villiers engines are interchangeable and it is no surprise to find the engine has been changed.
It is not a trials machine no matter what has been done to it. The trials machine of that year had a frame number prefix of UTM and the scrambler equivalent was UTMS. Falcons for overseas used UMSO.
Cheers,


984
Identify these bikes! / Re: I think its an FB falcon
« on: November 16, 2009, 11:11:44 PM »
Francis Barnett frame and engine numbers are readily available. Provide them and we can give you an exact id with no bother.

985
Identify these bikes! / Re: Help id this frame please
« on: November 12, 2009, 11:14:03 PM »
No, not Excelsior. The SK prefix before the frame number isn't anywhere near anything Excelsior used on their plunger frames. Excelsior also had very distinctive rear suspension units unlike those in the photo.

I agree it is very like Excelsior but on close examination - no banana.

Cheers,

986
Identify these bikes! / Re: Help Identify this bike
« on: October 15, 2009, 06:54:15 AM »
Its a 500cc 'Sloper' Ariel from the early 1930's. Hard to find nowadays but one any Ariel fancier would give his eye teeth for.
The Ariel sloper range came and went very quickly and I suspect this was solely because of the dreadful economic conditions of the time. The depths of the Great Depression was not the time to introduce a new range of machines. Like everyone else Ariel had to make and sell only those bikes they were absolutely sure the public would buy. There was no room for error. The new Sqare Four stayed but the sloper range didn't.
Thanks for letting us see such a happy family photo.
Cheers,

987
Identify these bikes! / Re: Villiers Super Sports TT. Excelsior??
« on: October 25, 2009, 11:06:25 PM »
Hi again,
I think we've gone well past the intent of the forum in identifying the little bike.
I'm happy to keep up the correspondence but not bore everyone else to death doing it here. If you'd like to send your email address via the forum message system I'll respond likewise.
Cheers,  

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Identify these bikes! / Re: Villiers Super Sports TT. Excelsior??
« on: October 24, 2009, 08:47:11 AM »
Hi again,
Exploring what engines Villiers built and for what purpose can get a little involved as they were very flexible and would cheerfully vary the mix to suit the paying customer. Especially if they were buying in substantial numbers. We know the official line but there could be an amazing amount of minor variations. Different size spark plug, spark plug in different positions, different inlet manifolds, variations in the electrics, different lubrication systems and so on, nevertheless, the basics remain the same.
Anyway, the basic line of 172cc 57.15 bore x 67mm stroke sporting engines is as follows,

1, the Sports engine, fixed head and cast iron piston, available 1924-1932. engine number prefix T or TL (Autolube). Villiers created the first of the 196cc engines, the 1E, by overboring this engine to 67mm. Original 172 Sports are hard to find as many were routinely overbored to take a 196cc piston in later life.
 
2, the Super Sports TT, alloy head, alloy piston, available 1926-1932. Engine number prefix BZ. Sorry, I said earlier it first appeared in the 1924 Ultralightweight TT, it was the next years Ultra lightweight race, 1925 that it first appeared.

3 the Brooklands, larger alloy head plus alloy piston and other assorted internal goodies.  Available 1925-34, engine prefix Y. Sold as a racing engine only and Villiers advised it was not suitable for use on the road. I've never managed to get my hands on one of these, only seen pictures.

Then, years later in 1929 Villiers produced the 196 Super Sports and depending on what you are reading it can be plain Super Sports or Super Sports TT. Don't ask. The 196 version ran from 1929 to 1940 when Hitler stopped play.

As you earlier inferred, one can really mix'n'match the various Villiers parts. Currently I am erecting a petroil lubricated 172 Super Sports TT using a MkXIIC bottom end and a Supers Sports top half. This is for my second Excelsior, a 1929 Chequerboard.
Cheers,

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Identify these bikes! / Re: Villiers Super Sports TT. Excelsior??
« on: October 24, 2009, 02:07:11 AM »
Hi again,
Yes, they are pressed steel forks and Excelsior first used them in 1930. Pressed steel forks were used more and more on British lightweights throughout the 30's and 40's finally fading out in the early 50's. They were used far more than you expect although this early style with the cutouts making them superficially similar to the tubular style didn't last long.
Viliers made both a 175cc Super Sports TT engine and a 196cc Super Sports TT engine also so both would have the same markings on the rear of the barrell. They are near identical in performance. The 175 version first appeared in 1924 and was raced in the UltraLightweight TT of that year and the 196 came along a ferw years later. I've never quite worked out why Villiers bothered with the 196 Super Sports version but suspect it relates to the German market as do the other 196 Villiers engines of the day. The up to 200 cc class was very popular in Germany back then as apparently motorcycles under 200cc didn't pay any road tax.  
Whatever the reason, the difference in performance between the two capacities is minuscule.
I'm not surprised your father got the frame number wrong. It's a common error and given the factory stamps the frame in a hard to find spot, then paints over it plus some later owner has applied even more paint over it, it is very easy to get it wrong.
As for collectibility/ desirability all I can say is that mine draws a crowd in whatever event I ride it in and someone is always taking a photograph of it. They do make a nice change from the endless stream of Triumph, BSA and Norton (sorry).
As for rarity, I live in Australia and since getting my own Excelsior I'm surprised at how many other owners I've met up with although most bikes are unrestored and in the same condition as yours.
Cheers,

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Identify these bikes! / Re: Villiers Super Sports TT. Excelsior??
« on: October 23, 2009, 11:36:11 PM »
You certainly have an Excelsior and it is largely correct, there only being those minor differences that happen to any bike that has been in use for 80 years.
It would appear to be a Model 4 catalogued only in 1930 and 1931 with the 196 Super Sports engine.
I think you have the frame number wrong as it is unlike any Excelsior frame number I've seen. Basically, it should have an 'A' prefix for 1930 and a 'B' prefix for 1931. I would have another careful look as the difference is important if you want to enter proper vintage events like the Banbury Run.
They are a sweetie of a bike that well reflect Excelsiors sporting prowess at the time. Excelsior was a major player in the lightweight class at the time and it shows in how all their bikes handle.
You can buy copies of the 1931 & 32 catalogues from BMS which will show you exactly what you have.
As you may gather, I have one myself.
Cheers,

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