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British Bikes / Re: Tank identity ??
« on: June 21, 2018, 09:55:40 PM »
I received an email from Glenn Bator this morning he had crocker 106 and 107 . a red triumph with crocker .  I wanted to know sprocket size in order to arry these parts .
no surprise hes sold both !

ok this bike was owned by Elmo Loopers sister and her husband in the pic . its a Hemi from his stash . these bikes were scrap metal value .
Elmo was the guy who bought the remains of crocker .

post war surplus was everywhere . Indian was finished and was importing AJS ,matchy , norton ,vincent etc
he had reputation for building hybrids so I naturally assumed this to be a 249 . the 249 twin had plunger , the 149 single was rigid bolt rear frame section  . the front half is the same for 149 and 249 .

when I look at the way the light hits the rear plunger it certainly does show out line of detail of norton . that bolt for the exhaust cat be ignored .

Ive contacted Norton club hopefully some one will lock onto the faint profile and know for sure and id that frame .

Post war USA brit bikes were the only way to go . there was the sportster XLCH but heavy compared to brit bikes . vincent was the fastest thing on the road .

If given choice at that time , why not a MANX frame , crocker motor , HD trans , a whatsit tank , etc  all post war cheap as chips .

Crocker shaft is 1" dia , HD sprocket 1" dia  taper up to 1954 = 428-2 row chain .
crocker sprocket  #35 - 4 row chain same as chief . 
HD clutch = 37 tooth 2 row sprocket , tin primary . predating electraglide etc .

crocker trans is a no go , the case is a casting of the frame , even though it was constant mesh it was limited to that frame only . thats why there are hybrid bikes .
even Paul Bigsby used HD trans whish is 428-2 chain .

anyway heres news to me .... manx plunger frame . it has a kink in the frame for taller engine

I have been trying to get more pics and info from the family . what you have to understand is normal people dont find bikes anywhere near as important as us so I have to be careful there


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British Bikes / Re: Tank identity ??
« on: June 20, 2018, 10:29:43 PM »
know what ?
you just might be swinging the right direction

jesus , now I have to go Norton searching . The lady is still alive , Im gonna have to do some asking . I was hoping to be able to do visual research and fill in the gaps with logic what ever that is.
definite crocker rear light .
the seat springs are conical not usual behive .
the bike is leaner towards the camera , leaning on the kicker which also distorts things

pic is late 50s early 60s , brit bike imports were flooding into usa

thanks guys for any info no matter what observations

the way the light hits the rear frame it kindve hi-lites norton features ......

the oil tank definite bsa m20 ish

is there an ignition key next to the front edge of the rear tyre  level with the gear box filler cap ?....

jesus ....time to count spokes over 50% of the rim then approximate  :P   cheers

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British Bikes / Re: Tank identity ??
« on: June 20, 2018, 06:33:49 AM »
heres Paul Bigsby crocker with HD trans with Battery down back and HD tin primary cases but for VL trans which was a crash box . HD synchro box wasnt available at that time
foot clutch hand change

reason for alt trans is the crocker trans case was a part of the frame .
this bike has dizzy mount where the magneto usually goes

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British Bikes / Tank identity ??
« on: June 20, 2018, 06:18:40 AM »
Im trying to identify parts of this bike for an artical Im scratching together .
chassis = 49 - 52- Indian scout , motor = crocker ,  trans = HD predate electra-glide.
fuel tank = looks brit ??
oil tank = brit ??

HD clutch = 37 tooth 2 row that requires 428-2 chain , that requires 2 row motor sprocket for 1" taper motor shaft = pre 1954 HD sprocket  , tin primary case .
trans out put = HD therefore 530 rear chain

usually motor has magneto out front BUT notice there is a tail and head light ?  there fore , there is power or a total loss battery strapped on but not visable thru rear wheel ?? . magneto could be replaced by gen . there was a dizzy also available for there motors , which would need a gen which was driven off stock clutch basket which this is not . it was an autolite clock wise rot.
HD usually had gen off front of motor driven by the timing gears .
motor has 2 separate oil pumps which are the copper pipes up the guts centre .

HD primary has no allowance for dynamo take off drive or pulley
under the tank theres a wire parallel to down tube

front brake lever by his elbow . no shadow of RH lever on tank = no clutch lever therefore LH foot clutch and LH hand change .
bike is resting on the kicker . right above kick spring is where clutch arm is which needs room to move forwards and backwards .
between the blue line , the rear exhaust and above the clutch arm there is a mass fairly well lit but  ....possibly brit dynamo ?    ......more I look its most likely the shifter drum housing / lid
 
Rear hub =  LH sprocket drum ??  brit equivalents ?
49 scout rear axle is straight dia 1/2-20 , any brit equivalents ?

any ideas or theory , feel free to throw it in the mix , there cant be any wrong answers



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American Bikes / Re: 1948 chief horn
« on: June 20, 2018, 05:54:22 AM »

the same horn = 1948 to 53 . if you check out southwest the vertical had the same horn diff pn1503001 , pretty much looks the same

https://www.southwestvintagecycle.com/parts.html
https://www.indian-motorcycles.com/docs/wiring-diagrams-348-vintage-chief/

Ive got a horn and a alternator bracket on its way , yahoooo . looks like a stock gen bracket but better

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American Bikes / Re: Indian Scout gearbox 1926
« on: June 20, 2018, 05:33:26 AM »
1925 to 27 the taper bearing is timken 19138 , 19283 , outer race is 14mm . this is available but no one uses them .
there are replacement BB which have the outer trimmed to suit . walkers and the guy in sweden
antiquebike .

there are 2 helical baskets , diff being the neck area where the bearing sits . shoulder if you want to call it anything I guess . .850" or .950" deep

I have original NOS bearing as a reference pre 1925 , its thrust but it can be replaced with one of the modern trimmed ones in stead.

over all width is 14mm (inline) but when reversed on it self over all width becomes 17mm = outer race facing one way and the inner facing other under thrust against each other . leaving the BB staggered ....17mm wide

the early BB or the taper need thrust washers.
the 101 replaced the bearing with 35 x 72 x 17 , right up to 1953
later bikes chief , 741 use radial bearing , HD use same BB

RH  thin bearing is used in velocette and landrover


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American Bikes / Re: Indian Scout rake angle ?????
« on: April 04, 2018, 08:41:01 AM »
update :
scouts 1920 to 1939 = 25 degrees
ALL models 1940 to 1953 = 27 degrees
early chief 1922 to 31 = 20 degrees
Powerplus 1920 to 24 = 20 degrees
daytona same bike as PP

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British Bikes / Re: 8 Tooth sprocket ?
« on: March 30, 2018, 05:01:30 AM »
quick reply cheers

I see AJS has 16T , Norton 11T ...
Ill check out Miller etc

its not veteran Triumph ,they are all 14 tooth generator

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British Bikes / 8 Tooth sprocket ?
« on: March 30, 2018, 03:31:27 AM »
Any clues ? ........

Ive got an 8 Tooth sprocket Im wondering what it comes off

it has a taper from 1/2" to .450"  , fits splitdorf shaft so 6 degree
its 3/8 wide
tip to tip 1-1/2" across
has a key 3/32 wide
my guess 1/2 centre to centre chain

most american magnetos are gear drive and generators are belt and pulley .
maybe this is AJS , Matchless ?

cheers



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British Bikes / Re: Triumph model ?
« on: February 15, 2018, 11:20:20 PM »

this is June and Jackie in the usa so its an export model . 
looking at tank logo with 4 stripes that would make it 1950 and rigid frame up to 1953 .

well spotted ... I can just see the tank rack 

2 saddle seats , both sprung I guess
fork tins have chrome ring at front gaurd level
obviously has a side stand aswell as rear stand
remembering this is marlon brando era "wild ones" movie so Id say americans were buying triumphs like crazy

Ive just been reading about the T6 thunderbird 1950 intro so yes that is a possibility too .
so ... polychromatic blue or marroon paint ...
Im searching site and net for colours at the time 

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British Bikes / Triumph model ?
« on: February 15, 2018, 07:55:29 PM »
Hi guys ,
can someone identify what model , year this Trumpy is ?
those are after market hi rise pipes , yes ?

cheers

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American Bikes / Indian Scout rake angle ?????
« on: March 17, 2015, 02:48:37 AM »
Does any one know the correct rake for an early scout frame ?

I have asked tony leenes , george yarocki , ken fox, jurgen hecker , moen , walkers , j parker , jurgen sundberg .... list goes on
it appears no one knows
I measure 23* but thats on a bent frame . I need to make a frame jig . George yarocki 101 frame diagram shows rake as 30* and down tubes 15* , the top tube is on a 5* slope .

if the neck were reset so the top tube was level then rake would be 25* and down tubes would be 20*

cheers

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American Bikes / Re: Indian Scout gearbox mainshaft.
« on: March 16, 2015, 09:07:18 AM »
I have a mainshaft with the kicker end cut off . its a race bike mod for push start .  burt munros bike had the shaft end cut off

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