A very interesting barn find from central Europe for sale :)

[andy1986]

Hi all, my name is Andy - I recently came across this one when searching for some parts in Poland ( I'm Polish ) - this one is for sale - guy wants 2500 british pounds - motorbike is in central Europe. What do You think? Clearly a few bits n bobs missing but still this one is one very complete motorcycle. Opinions please








Is this worth the money asked? I am planning to buy it if it is and re sell it to someone who will know what to do with such find - I'm scared I'd ruin it somehow. If any of you gentleman is interested in this motorcycle feel free to contact me. Many thanks for any help

[Rex]

Reminiscent of a twin port JAP engine, but sadly without it's timing gear etc. This bike's been mocked up to sell it. The exhaust pipe, rear brake plate, 'bars, saddle mounting, engine plates  and fork links haven't long been with the bike, though the forks didn't come with it either as they're too long, and the pitting on the front rim and frame members shows it's been outside in the weather for many years.
500 quid tops, and that's only as a long-term Thirties-style special build to the right person.

[Revband]

Now this is very unusual, but I agree with Rex on this one, its a lot of miss matched parts mocked up to sell, I think at £500 he is being generous

[Rex]

I probably was, as looking at it again, even the rear frame isn't compatible with the front as the wheel slots slope downwards and they should be level on a rigid. The carb clearly isn't for this bike and the toolbox(?) is beat to feck.
I'll bet the crankcases are empty too.

Piece o' woss-name..

[wink]

I think it`s very well put together. We always used to lean the engine forward . the exhausts are beautifully shaped and parallel to the ground, we used to turn the rear subframes over for more ground clearance for trials but somehow he`s made it a lowrider. The oiltank is a stationary engine petroltank. The engine plates and fork links are well done but could the bottom crown be lengthened or turned round somehow to alter the fork rake?  The front springs are expansion not compression. somebody out there knows what the gearbox is. that rear subframe with one tube flattened to go over the spindle plate i`ve seen before. There`re a lot of new bolts on it too but the front wheel spindle looks a bit thin. the front engine plates look original.  On the engine  the oilpump looks like a 2 piston plunger to me. And I`ve got a rockerbox cover exactly that shape but no name on it. Could it be a German Triumph?

[rogerwilko]

Ariels used a piston pump?

[cardan]

Motor, and possibly gearbox are probably Ariel c1932

http://www.yesterdays.nl/ariel-1932-m2f32-p-316.html

No idea re the rest!

Leon

[Rex]

Blimey Wink, it's bad enough taking on someone else's abandoned restoration of a standard bike, but when you have to not only collect parts that might fit (and that's after checking and probably re-engineering what's already been done...the world's full of those who's ideas don't match their abilities) and repairing parts that have been fitted but are clearly wrong/unsuitable/feckin shot, you have to ask yourself "is it really worth it?".

"Very well put together" you say... Hmmm, nope, don't see it myself.

[wink]

He`s not restoring it , he`s making it out of scrap. Look at the fit of the new engine plates, he knows an engineer who has access to modern machinery. they weren`t chaindrilled and filed up. and he might only be using that engine as a jig, there might be a perfect one in his bedroom!

[33d6]

Interesting discussion but it's moving away from the original question. Is it worth 2500GBP? I'd say no, nothing near it. I even think Rexs offer of 500 Pounds very generous for a pile of unrelated parts.

Cheers,

[wink]

Sorry to go off the point, I didn`t think the price came into it. I was more interested in the project.
You never get your money back on a proper restoration. Which is why I build bitzas, to use up my scrap.
Let`s be polite and say Andy is an optimist.

[RichP]

Is that a Wanderer 'W' on the fuel tank ? It is probably from a late 1930s 98cc 2-stroke which is why it looks like a pimple on a cow's bum.

[rogerwilko]

In other words Andy, DONT do it!