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wetdog

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Re: 1957 model 88 basket case value?
« Reply #135 on: November 29, 2013, 08:27:00 PM »
go to plus 60

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Re: 1957 model 88 basket case value?
« Reply #136 on: November 29, 2013, 11:12:55 PM »
You know of a source of +60 pistons ??

Better to save the wall thickness for sleeving.... ?


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Re: 1957 model 88 basket case value?
« Reply #137 on: November 30, 2013, 12:49:14 PM »
any size between 66 and 69mm are now being made , not cheap here are some http://www.norvilmotorcycle.co.uk/ £200 a pair , they also do liners etc
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Re: 1957 model 88 basket case value?
« Reply #138 on: November 30, 2013, 08:50:44 PM »
Be aware that some Norvil repo stuff is very variable quality. ?
And if you have a problem, its YOUR fault !!
Just mention conrod bolts, and stand clear....

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Re: 1957 model 88 basket case value?
« Reply #139 on: November 30, 2013, 10:24:26 PM »
ive only ever bought shells off them and no problem as yet (touch wood) but im not a norton twin fan , but i do still have a 99 (i think maybe a 88) engine in bits under the bench

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Re: 1957 model 88 basket case value?
« Reply #140 on: December 01, 2013, 10:08:30 PM »
Thanks for your views gents

So who supplies quality sleeves then? I am not holding any one accountable for the quality or the reputation of a supplier. But I am keen for opinions or experiences?

Is it possible to run an 88 oil pump at 6-start gear speeds?

wetdog, do you need relieving of your old 88 engine parts? ;D

Cheers

Kiwi

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Re: 1957 model 88 basket case value?
« Reply #141 on: December 01, 2013, 11:40:48 PM »
not just yet thanks , I keep thinking I might use it one day

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Re: 1957 model 88 basket case value?
« Reply #142 on: December 01, 2013, 11:59:34 PM »
I imagined that may be your answer, my question was a little tongue in cheek! I seem to have a collection of things I might do one day too...................

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Re: 1957 model 88 basket case value?
« Reply #143 on: December 02, 2013, 12:03:02 AM »
By the way, is it normal for the factory speedo to jump up in increments of 5 Mph or so rather than go smoothly from zero up?

Just wondering if it is working properly.....

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Re: 1957 model 88 basket case value?
« Reply #144 on: December 02, 2013, 12:28:52 AM »
Chronometric.... they all do that sir.
If iver tha does owt for nowt alus duit for thissen

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Re: 1957 model 88 basket case value?
« Reply #145 on: December 02, 2013, 07:14:48 AM »
Seems that Wetdog is one of those annoying hoarding types who never parts with anything until it's totally unuseable or you drop dead and the stuff ends up in a dump. Me, I always try to help the motorcycle fraternity by moving parts on! Try and be a little realistic with your stashes people.

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Re: 1957 model 88 basket case value?
« Reply #146 on: December 02, 2013, 10:03:16 AM »
have you been talking to my wife ? I do have to many projects but I will get round to finishing so long as I live to be 300 , I do/hope motorcycles keep you yonge , having said that I also get shut of what I don't want which is quite a lot each year , I tend to buy any thing im offerd
just dug it out its a 99
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Re: 1957 model 88 basket case value?
« Reply #147 on: December 03, 2013, 04:43:30 AM »
Is it possible to run an 88 oil pump at 6-start gear speeds?
 
  Sure, all you have to do is put the gears on. I rode a 1961 Dominator for almost 20 years that was all stock except switched to the fast pump gears. Mine had the "S" pump, so you will get less oil than I did, but more than your engine did originally.
 
   It would certainly not hurt to enlarge the oil passages the way Norton did when they went to the large pump and fast gears, but not doing so did not hurt my 61' Domi over tens of thousands of miles of road use. I did read somewhere that putting the fast gears on an early Domi with the large S pump could froth up the oil, but I never noticed this problem.
 
    On my current daily rider, a 62' Domi, I have the S pump and fast gears installed also, but it also has had oil passageways enlarged towards the 66' and later specification, but not quite there. It has the 62' and later oil tank with the froth tower too, which can not hurt and gives a place to connect the crankcase breather to.
 
     One could look at the factories oiling system modifications for the Norton Dominator as layers applied over the years.  The first level is the small pump and slow gears, the second level was the big pump with slow gears, the third level was the big pump with fast gears and enlarged oil passageways. If you want to count the 850 Commandos addition of a spin-on cartridge filter then add another layer.

      On the top end there were two steps, the original low-pressure scrolled rocker spindles fed by the return line to the oil tank, and the 1966-on plain spindles fed by the pressure side of the oil pump. Both top-end oiling systems have been used with success on any combination of oil pump and drive gears, but with the early scrolled spindles you have to check you are getting enough back-pressure in the return line to force oil to them.
 
     Whenever you swap or mix parts from different years it is your responsibility to do the checking on the final installation to make sure everything is getting lubed. Just because someone else has got a parts combination working, does not mean that the parts you bolt on will do the same thing. Something as simple as the size of the oil return hole in the oil tank, or the amount of wear in your oil pump could give completely different results, and with many of our parts being half a century old no one can guarantee what your parts will do for you. 
   
    Also you should get hold of Hamish Cooper, he is a journalist in Australia/N.Z. who has a road racer with a Norton 88 engine in it along with many spares. He could put you in touch with the Norton Model 88 network "down under".  If you google him you will be able to find his website and contact him.
 
     Good luck
 
   

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Re: 1957 model 88 basket case value?
« Reply #148 on: December 05, 2013, 07:28:37 AM »
Thanks beng, Great answer, just what I was hoping for.

And thanks to all forum members who have helped out, it is very valuable for first time Norton restorers

I will post photos soon

Kind Regards

Kiwi

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Re: 1957 model 88 basket case value?
« Reply #149 on: December 05, 2013, 03:45:11 PM »
        For another example, I recently acquired a 1961 Norton that I know the history of back to 1969 so far.
         After a previous owner acquired it that year he had some standard work done on the engine such as machining with new pistons and bearings to fit.
         According to the paperwork the odometer racked up over 20 thousand miles before it was torn down for inspection again. It has the standard Dominator pump but someone had put the fast gears in at some point.
 
          The engine looks good inside except for the usual wear one would expect in an engine with only wire mesh as an oil filter. The rod journals are worn down between a half and one thousandths below their last regrind and the shell bearings look like they took a lot of abuse, scored and imbedded with metal particles.
 
          Looking at a number of 850 Commando cranks that had been run a similar mileage, I am sure that this Model 99 would have been in much better shape if it had spent the last 40+ years running with a oiling system strong enough to move it's oil through a spin-on cartridge filter as the 850 engines had.
 
            Unless the oil total oil system, oil passage size, pump size and pump speed, is upgraded to the post-65' spec, I would wonder if it would be overwhelmed trying to push through a cartridge filter. If I try the spin-on filter with lesser parts in the future  I will certainly report to the Norton public how it works.
 
            Right now what we know is that there is not much you can do to make the oiling on early Dominators worse, and that once they got the Norton twin up to a spec that would run a spin on filter, the life of the wearing engine parts, especially the rod journals and bearings, have a much longer and easier life.