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Re: New to this old bike lark
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2014, 11:16:54 AM »
do you know how many t100a where built in 1959 and registerd for the road ?

No, I don't know, just as I'm sure you can't prove there were none registered at all (otherwise you wouldn't have needed to ask, would you?) and none of this alters the fact that whether it has a distributor or not is basically irrelevant, so I suggest we remain open minded until Tiger Bob tells us more-if he chooses to do so?   
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Re: New to this old bike lark
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2014, 12:18:43 PM »
two , one was registerd for the road , but the reg it carrys is not WFO

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Re: New to this old bike lark
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2014, 12:51:17 PM »
two , one was registerd for the road , but the reg it carrys is not WFO

And where does that information come from?
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Re: New to this old bike lark
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2014, 01:04:16 PM »
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Re: New to this old bike lark
« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2014, 01:08:53 PM »
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Re: New to this old bike lark
« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2014, 01:46:08 PM »
yes the motorcycle company , I worked most of my life for emap who held the records , which are now with the vmc

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Re: New to this old bike lark
« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2014, 02:01:08 PM »
yes the motorcycle company , I worked most of my life for emap who held the records , which are now with the vmc

I was under the impression the VMCC obtained the Triumph factory records from the Science Museum? So are you saying this information is coming through the VMCC?   


two , one was registerd for the road , but the reg it carrys is not WFO
 

You appeared to give the impression that you were referring to the present day (IS not WFO) so do we take it that you are in fact referring to a 1959 record (WAS not) as many original numbers have been sold off and replaced with a age related numbers?
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Re: New to this old bike lark
« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2014, 02:47:33 PM »
I see what your saying , you think this is that same machine , we will see but I very much doubt it , I was ref 1959 record yes , the engine in that machine does not have t100 inc in the engine numbers so you never know it just might be , but as the keeper  of the bike is quiet I don't think it is 1959 t100 . I don't know where they got the records from but I do know who had them , if you contact them they will confirm this , there is a charge
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Re: New to this old bike lark
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2014, 03:03:14 PM »
I see what your saying , you think this is that same machine

Not necessarily, but it does strike me as being extremely odd that they would have only produced a total of two 1960 season T100As by the end of the 1959 calendar year.

I noticed in the previous Tiger 90 website link it says that two 1960 T100A prototypes (H6282 and H9480 one subsequently registered as 148 AUE) were built during the 1959 model season, this seems to be something of a coincidence. Also it appears that T100As were reaching UK dealers by the end of October 1959 which again seems to suggest that only one T100A being registered in 1959 is even less likely.

http://www.triumph-tiger-90.com/
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H12313 is the first production T100A made on the 16th October 1959. Sent to Johnson Motors on the 22nd October.
H12331 is the first UK production T100A sent to Pat Keebles, Leiston.   

 


I don't know where they got the records from but I do know who had them , if you contact them they will confirm this , there is a charge


So how is it you appear to have access to these records in order to give this information?
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Re: New to this old bike lark
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2014, 08:53:51 PM »
now that's a great web site , I have emailed him with some information he maybe interested in , inc a early 3TA fitted with a lucas magneto ,   you may have a point about the reg , I can find no record of any LA with the WFO registrations up to 1963 , I have no information after that date , so assume the reg is new ? I will be interested if the owner comes back

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Re: New to this old bike lark
« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2014, 11:28:53 PM »
two , one was registerd for the road , but the reg it carrys is not WFO

Here's another T100A, built and dispatched in December 1959, so it certainly seems your claim that only "two" were "built" in 1959 is not entirely accurate.
http://www.bike4sale.co/detail/ocoVcFeoVVoooLLmumcP/1960-TRIUMPH-TIGER-100-500cc-T100A-MOTORBIKE-MOTORCYCLE-MA
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Re: New to this old bike lark
« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2014, 10:50:58 AM »
That’s a nice bike but again no history ( I will find the reg )   , it seems that no one ever finds and  restores a run of the mil model  3TA or a 6T , its always the more sort after model and more expensive  that’s lost its history , (eBay is a good place to find many examples) another  good example is the one below which is a bike I do know the exact history for  (was offered this machine some years ago but the dealer let slip a name who I know very well so found the true history) and it never left triumph as this model , so one to avoid if it ever should re appear ,
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/14264/lot/660/

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Re: New to this old bike lark
« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2014, 11:14:18 AM »
Hi all,

I think you may be right about it being a 1960 - although, the log book says 1959. As I understand it years ago (in the good old days before the DVLA) local authorities stored vehicle info. When the DVLA was formed this was collated as best it could be and there were many discrepancies. My frame number is - H16146 - which I believe makes it 1960. The engine says T100A. I dodn't write down the number as it differs from the frame.

I definitely have a problem with charging which I'll investigate. Does anyone have a link to what resistances I should get from the generator?

Also, looking at the rocker cover there seem to be stainless washers under the banjo bolts for the oil feeds so I've ordered some copper ones along with a full gasket set.

Thanks,

Bob.

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Re: New to this old bike lark
« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2014, 12:29:30 PM »
I definitely have a problem with charging which I'll investigate. Does anyone have a link to what resistances I should get from the generator?

After 50 years, there's a reasonable chance the charging system has been either altered or upgraded in some way,  and the original alternator stator possibly replaced with a later version, especially as a 1960 T100A would normally be expected to have ET (Energy Transfer) ignition which required an ET stator, rotor, Ign. coil/s and AAU. The ET system could be troublesome so was often replaced with the normal coil ignition, so I suggest that firstly, you check over the electrical system to find out exactly which parts are fitted.   
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Re: New to this old bike lark
« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2014, 12:37:43 PM »
If anyone out there has my engine - H16146 - I'd really like it back.

I have engine number T100A H17605 - anyone want it?

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