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Invincible JAP on ebay
« on: August 01, 2023, 11:31:41 AM »
The same dealer with the HRD has an Invincible JAP (in petrified state) on ebay now.

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Re: Invincible JAP on ebay
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2023, 12:28:39 PM »
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/334969631383

Very nice, but a huge restoration project - even the flywheels seem to have vanished from the engine.

I had a funny experience reading the description - sounded good for a change. Then I realised I wrote it - quoted from my website. Numbers look good for a 1925 Invincible JAP, so probably an original bike.

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Re: Invincible JAP on ebay
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2023, 06:57:28 AM »
They used to say ...buy the bike ,not the story ............now if you dont have a story , no one  will buy the bike...........There was a similarly petrified 34 V Harley on the local scene,I see it went a bit over $4k ,which IMHO is not too bad for a Harley ........Personally ,the flywheels and shafts wouldnt worry me.....Id be more concerned about the complex lifters used by these single cam JAPs..............thats assuming the cases arent all broken to pieces .

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Re: Invincible JAP on ebay
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2023, 08:57:24 AM »
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Amended to avoid any wrongness.

Was there any difference over the years ?
No front brake in 1923 was normal.
A few years later would be a bit of a sales non-feature ?
« Last Edit: August 03, 2023, 12:11:47 AM by R »

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Re: Invincible JAP on ebay
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2023, 08:59:50 AM »
The cam is in there, so some hope there are followers too. I don't think there's anything impossible about the rebuild, but it is a really big job. Still, it has some really hard-to-find bits. Fun for someone.

Leon

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Re: Invincible JAP on ebay
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2023, 09:15:13 AM »
/A on the KT engine wouldn't be 1925 ??

Was there any difference over the years ?
No front brake in 1923 was normal.
A few years later would be a bit of a sales non-feature ?

Woops, overlapped.

/A is 1925.
No front brake on any Invincible, I believe. The front fork is a local copy of the c1920 Excelsior/Henderson, and not well suited to brakes. (I'm wary on being definitive about Invincible JAPs, since the last ones were assembled from parts - despite most of the parts being built c1923, the last new Invincible was advertised in Jan 1930!)
With no front brakes, the later ones had a better rear brake, with both internal shoes and a contracting band. Very modern - just like an Indian in 1911!
Changes were small over the years: on this one you can see "late" features like the different drip feed and mechanical oil pump on the magneto drive. In 1925 it would have had an alloy primary case, instead of the pressed steel on the original, but this seems to be missing. Some of the very late ones used well-based rims and wired-on tyres, instead of the 28x3 BE on this one.

Leon



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Re: Invincible JAP on ebay
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2023, 10:09:49 AM »
Whoops, my spilleng of PNEUMATIC was a little awry ...
1925 it is indeed.

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Re: Invincible JAP on ebay
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2023, 12:34:29 PM »
Up to $6,100 at the moment.

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Re: Invincible JAP on ebay
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2023, 09:24:35 AM »
I feel a bit nostalgic, but well under control. $9100 with a couple of hours to go.

Leon

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Re: Invincible JAP on ebay
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2023, 10:20:24 PM »
$11,902

Not bad for a pile of, , , nostalgia. !

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Re: Invincible JAP on ebay
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2023, 01:11:11 AM »
Everyone tells me that business has fallen in a hole ........not by old bike sales ,it hasnt.

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Re: Invincible JAP on ebay
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2023, 01:28:41 AM »
Well at least it's a very good base for restoration, unlike some of the abominations (particularly "Australian made" bikes) we often see on ebay. The difficult part is transforming it from its tired and incomplete current state into a complete running bike. The worst bit is the the dip in value when it gets unbolted into a pile of little parts on the workshop floor! Good luck to the buyer - happy to help with info but unfortunately I have none of the missing parts.

Cheers

Leon

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Re: Invincible JAP on ebay
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2023, 07:56:06 AM »
Before reducing it to its component atoms, best if you do some research and see what is what. ?
https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/6552ef5727e82a20be1f7f1e95d835ee

And if you keep it 'assembled' and do the seat first*, you can sit on it and dream away. !.
(*never sit on anything with the engine removed - this can have dire consequences for older frames)

Restored it exactly like this ...
https://australiapostcollectables.com.au/content/dam/corp/ourpost/news/latest-news/2018/sep-2018/invincible-jap.jpg


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Re: Invincible JAP on ebay
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2023, 09:39:51 AM »
Good plan re doing the seat first. It's a Messinger No. 1 - much sought after in the US for various Indian/Harley machines - but don't forget to paint it black! Nice restoration in the Invincible in the photo.

Leon