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Offline FilipCZE

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Probably Italian bike
« on: May 18, 2017, 05:38:44 PM »
Hello guys, I have a problem to identify what bike I found. It has Rotax/Sachs engine. It has a Sachs logo on the gas tank, but I think it is just a sticker.
Today I found a ticket of a road tax from Modena from year 1958.
The frame looks like many Italian bikes, but there is none like this one. Could you, please, help me with this one?
Photos attached. If you need more, just let me know.

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Re: Probably Italian bike
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2017, 10:48:15 PM »
Cannot help you with it, but good luck as it is mostly complete and should be an easy restoration.

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Re: Probably Italian bike
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2017, 05:50:12 AM »
I have gone through like hundreds of pictures and I cannot find the frame. Then I would know if the tank or other parts are original.
Is there any other way than googling?

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Re: Probably Italian bike
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2017, 06:22:35 AM »
Its unlikely an Italian made bike would use a sachs or rotax engine ?
I'd be thinking more german/austrian/european origins ?

The 1st thing to do is to identify precisely what engine that is, and what year(s) that would cover.
Is it 125cc, 50cc or something like that ?

Is there a brand on the carburettor.
Is there any numbers or makers marks on the headlamp, speedo, key, cables etc ?
Can you read a make on the old rego label

It does look very complete, and kinda all shipshape.
Polish it and ride off into the sunset ?

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Re: Probably Italian bike
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2017, 06:32:03 AM »
This engine, which is in the family - but not the same -, comes up for Fitchel & Sachs AG, a 175cc.
Unfortunately without a year quoted for it.


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Re: Probably Italian bike
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2017, 07:51:04 AM »
Another pictures

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Re: Probably Italian bike
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2017, 07:52:01 AM »
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Re: Probably Italian bike
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2017, 08:13:43 AM »
This engine, which is in the family - but not the same -, comes up for Fitchel & Sachs AG, a 175cc.
Unfortunately without a year quoted for it.


The engine is 124/125cc from Rotax-Werk as shown on the picture. I am not sure if the engine is original to this frame. That makes everything a little bit more difficult. The same issue is with the gas tank, which I think is not original.

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Re: Probably Italian bike
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2017, 09:59:08 AM »
Engine looks too neat a fit to have been cobbled into there ?

Seems the Sachs-Rotax connection is official
http://www.antiquepool.at/products/2/16630-505879377fbb3.jpg
http://www.antiquepool.at/products/2/16630-5058793fa9f8a.jpg
bit small to read.

All (!!) you need to do now is to find what sort of bikes they were fitted into.
You may need to search far and wide, I notice that Puma in Portugal used Sachs engines,
amongst many....
And scooters too, with a fan. 1955 version, so we have an approx date for that engine use.
http://www.antiquepool.at/de/artikel/16630.html
(I may have assumed 2 + 2 = 5 here, they may not be related ?, different engine ?)

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Re: Probably Italian bike
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2017, 11:02:53 AM »
I will try that, thx. Is there any page with "all" bikes? =))
I still think it is an Italian. It has the LBenzi seat, Modena road tax and frame similar to other Italians.