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Autojumble / Re: Villiers Mk. II / parts
« on: April 29, 2014, 08:25:18 AM »
Gents,

I have finally received the right carburetor, which after cleaning seems to be in perfect condition!
Thanks again for your support.

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Autojumble / Re: Villiers Mk. II / parts
« on: March 26, 2014, 08:26:23 AM »
The carb I have is definitely not the special one. I think I will go for the single lever version, and try to get the parts for this one.
This seems the best option to me.

Cheers!

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Autojumble / Re: Villiers Mk. II / parts
« on: March 25, 2014, 10:37:01 AM »
Hi 33d6,

thanks for the clarification. That was my last concern, whether there is a basic difference in between these 2 versions. So I would opt then for the single lever. As the bike has presumably been built before 1949 this should be original. In addition there is no lever on the handlebar for this.

From the book I get that jet is #3, but for the taper needle there is #3 and #3 special. Which is the correct one?

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Autojumble / Re: Villiers Mk. II / parts
« on: March 24, 2014, 10:15:27 AM »
Thank you for the limk, but I just have received a copy this weekend.
Found a 1951 edition on epay uk for 3 EUR!

I am just working through it to understand what L/W version it should be. As far as I understand right now, there is a 1-lever and a 2-lever version. I need to get my carb off the lady and compare it to the drawings.

Thanks so far for your support, more to come...

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Autojumble / Villiers Mk. II / parts
« on: March 12, 2014, 10:12:37 AM »
For the attached carb (anyone knows what type it is?) I need the slide assembly as it is missing:

- throttle slide
- needle
- top disc
- top nut
- adjustment nut
- needle spring

If someone has an idea where to get the spares or a complete carb, please help. Seems to be a pretty rare type, since my search has not even been able to produce the name of the type, nor any parts or complete carbs. It is from a Socovel, YOM 1946-47 equipped with a Villiers 9D. Special seems to be the 45 degree fuel line connection.

Thanks in advance,
horaceworblehat

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Identify these bikes! / Re: Mark 9D driven bike - what is it?
« on: October 15, 2013, 06:49:05 AM »
Mystery solved!

I finally found a book on a jumble on Belgian motorcycles, which contained the exact model that I own. Seems to be called simply the "125-9D" (cp. picture attached from the book "Belgian Motorcycles" by J. Kupelian & J. Sirtaine).


So I can confirm that Villiers engine number 765 is a 9D delivered to Belgian manufacturer "Socovel", between 1945 and 1947.

One missing number less I guess ;-)

Thanks again for your support here!

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Identify these bikes! / Re: Please help identify this bike
« on: September 10, 2013, 10:21:48 AM »
Actually the model is being called "Gouverneur", with an engine by famous Richard Kuechen. They were not the most reliable ones when first introduced, but improved with the Gouverneur MP-250-2 and S300...

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Identify these bikes! / Re: Mark 9D driven bike - what is it?
« on: September 10, 2013, 10:11:10 AM »
Well I never indicated that the bike shown in the link was mine. It was just reassuring me that mine must definitely me Socovel, too much details matching now.

Having had a look at my book "Belgian Motorcycles", I found that Socovel introduced two Models in 1948:

a) "Model 1": 98 ccm Villiers - I would say that is the one in the link above having definitely a 1F installed
b) "Model 2": 122 ccm - which must be mine with a 9D installed

As they changed to telescopic forks in 1949 only, this is another match as mine is with girder forks.
However, I want clarification via photo / another example. I will continue searching on the jumbles around here.

But why don't you publish your list of engine numbers? It could help others a lot. I do not find back the list I had seen in 2011 when starting this thread. As Bacon's list from my book is Brit bikes only, a list of continental manufacturers would be helpful as there must be lots of them still out there.

Cheers!

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Identify these bikes! / Re: Mark 9D driven bike - what is it?
« on: September 07, 2013, 08:01:38 PM »
Hi,

thanks for your answer. Concerning the list I thought I had found a version on the net, which I could not trace back.
But your right, maybe I should try to find the old records in Brussels. However I am pretty sure now this must be Socovel, if u look at this bike:
http://www.google.de/imgres?client=firefox-a&hs=lL4&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&channel=fflb&biw=1192&bih=802&tbm=isch&tbnid=xMg801XUo3QPuM:&imgrefurl=http://tablica.pl/oferta/socovel-zabytkowy-kompletny-jak-sokol-125-okazja-CID5-ID3nZA7.html&docid=y-PVvavak5snHM&imgurl=http://img04.tablica.pl/images_tablicapl/89498073_3_644x461_socovel-zabytkowy-kompletny-jak-sokol-125-okazja-motocykle-i-skutery.jpg&w=615&h=461&ei=3HMrUue6HsGhtAbz54CIAw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=1184&vpy=701&dur=3992&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=170&ty=159&page=1&tbnh=146&tbnw=190&start=0&ndsp=41&ved=1t:429,r:40,s:0,i:208, the chassis is identical except for the toolbox and engine. Even the headlight is matching.

BTW, the engine number seems to be 716, is this recorded in Bacon's list? I do not have it on hand here right now.

At least I know now where to start I guess.

Cheers!

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Identify these bikes! / Re: Mark 9D driven bike - what is it?
« on: September 06, 2013, 02:38:32 PM »
Heaving this up again. Unfortunately my research with the local authorities has been to no avail.

Having looked again at the hint to Socovel, I found a later Socovel model (http://www.toutypasse.be/annonce/namur/a-vendre-moto-de-collection-socovel-be-1948-1123387) with exactly that characteristic rear fender / luggage grill combination.

Also frame design looks similar, with the central rear frame tube I have not seen elsewhere so far.
Any idea where I can find the Villiers engine list on the internet, it has disappeared from where it was before?

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British Bikes / BSA B25 Hybrid
« on: September 06, 2013, 09:04:52 AM »
Hi,

I have bought a B44SS, which seems to have a B25 frame. The frame number is B25TXE... whilst the engine number ends with ...B44SS.
From the BSAOC registers the closest reference I can find would be a B25T -> 1971 B25 Victor Trail.

What does the XE stand for?

Could it be that B44 were sold with B25 frames, or is this just a mix put together?
In that case registration might prove difficult here in Germany...

Any help appreciated. Thx.

EDIT: after more research found a website explaining the letter code.
It should be therefore a B25T, made Dec-1970. Is that correct?

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Hello facundoxxx,

I can only agree with what R says. Damage, what damage?
This looks like a quite original bike, which has undergone a restoration before. A more than perfect barn find if you could call it that at all.

IMHO,
converting this beauty to a bobber should be punished for destruction of cultural good!
There is already enough badly made custom bikes out there. I agree to customization if significant damage to non reproducible  parts (does that exist at all?) is found, but would better do to leave her alone.

Only my opinion, but who ever loves these old ladies would agree here I guess. That is why you might count on very few support here, this might be simply the wrong forum for this here.

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British Bikes / Re: NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ETHANOL
« on: May 04, 2011, 11:24:00 AM »
Hi all,

I am not sure whether the impact on the mechanical components inside our old ladies is really that severe. In Brasil, they run E100 and the enfines aint made of wood or leather, but alloy, iron cast etc.

German ADAC has published a nice article about E10 and all the fuss around it. There an expert said that concerning oxidation E5 was worse than E10. Why? He explained that there is an anomaly with alcohol dissolved in gasoline - it becomes less hygroscopic with increasing ethanol content.
Although he still says that alcohol may be affecting alloy.

To judge this article one must know that ADAC is strongly opposing this E10 measure and recommending not to use it if any doubt.

Sealing material resistance is a matter of quality. I had the experience with my '74 BMW R75/5 with E5 when I had overhauled the carbs. I had replaced all sealings and o-rings with new ones purchased from a BMW dealer. That very summer the bike broke almost down due to non-existing idle / low load engine speed. In the end it had turned out that the new o-ring for the idle jet of the Bing carb had started to dissolve. I contacted the dealer, he sent me another quality o-ring and since then I have never had any more issues with that.

Futhermore in pre WWII there was a measure introduced by the German government that fuel must contain some amount of ethanol:
Quote
In August 1930, the German government required all gasoline importers to buy 2.5% of the volume of their imports from the German Alcohol Monopoly, and the ratio was increased to 6% and then 10% by 1932. Estimates of alcohol used in 1932 vary from 44 million liters to about 175 million liters. Some 36,000 small farm alcohol stills, owned by the monopoly, were in operation at this time. By 1938, Germany was producing about 267 million liters of ethanol, about two thirds from potatoes and the rest from grain, wood sulfite liquors and beets. Some 89 million liters of methanol were produced from coal, while other synthetic fuels included 550 million liters of benzene and over one billion liters of synthetic gasoline. All told, 54% of the pre-war German fuel production was derived from non-petroleum sources, of which 8% was ethanol from renewable sources
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_alcohol_fuel

So maybe there is an anomaly with the age of your bike and its susceptibility to be impacted by E10 - the older it is the less risk there is. That's technical progress for you  ;)

As usual - lots of pros and cons. Ask 3 experts and you get 4 different answers.

To my mind this whole discussion is obsolete - the  reason for me not to opt for E10 is that I am not the one to explain to a starving child in Africa that we don't manage to send them food because we now start to burn it in our combustion engines.

This is crap and we should send these bloody incompetent EU-politicians down there exactly doing that! See how they will vote next time in parliament then.  >:(

Cheers,

horaceworblehat

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Identify these bikes! / Re: Mark 9D driven bike - what is it?
« on: May 03, 2011, 10:39:12 AM »
Thank you all for the good answers. I am amazed on how much knowledge you guys have assembled here.

I still hope to find more answers via the local registration authorities in Luxembourg. Plus, a colleague here even has local annual - what they call "Auto-book" - of the time. In that you can find  all registrations for road vehicles in Luxembourg, even with the name and address of the owner. Wish they had similar in other countries.
Of course only the natural size of rural Luxembourg and its limited number of registrations made such a register assessable.


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Identify these bikes! / Re: Mark 9D driven bike - what is it?
« on: May 02, 2011, 09:20:49 AM »
Thanks for your reply.

I am glad to learn more about the history of Villiers through you explanations.

So this implies that Villiers supplied engines to at least 765 manufacturers? That's a hell of a lot and explains why it must be difficult to sort all this information with the complications given by the post-WWII era.

Any more ideas from the community here or suggestions how / where I could continue my search?

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