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British Bikes / Re: Tandon Motorcycles
« on: April 16, 2012, 08:52:42 PM »
.....I also have a Trials 197 Tandon which I shall rebuild at the same time once I know the colour.........John
JR - according to the '53 B M-S copies, the Kangaroos were always 'Black stove enamelled. Bright parts chrome-plated.' Be interested to see a photo of your trials bike.
The Superglid was '....polychromatic blue, Tandon Rouge or black.' For 1954 all models went over to Beige with the famous red flash on the tank.

Here's more about some of their models - the Milemaster (a pre-war styled road bike) had gone and 4 models were listed for 1953. The 125cc Imp was the only rigid which together with the Kangaroo Supreme, Superglid and it's bigger brother 197 Superglid Supreme completed the range.
For 1954 six models were listed. The Imp remained and was joined by 2 conventionally sprung bigger 197cc brothers (one with 3, and 1 with 4 speed) but gone was the Kangaroo and in came the more successful 'Scrambler', the 225cc 1H Villiers engined Monarch and the Twin Supreme with the 242cc British Anzani rotory valved engine.
Sadly they did not sell in the required numbers, particularly in the initial target market of India and the company lasted a few more years before closing.
Shame

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British Bikes / Re: Tandon Motorcycles
« on: April 16, 2012, 08:15:24 PM »
Those were the days - when the same machine was used for both going to work and competing at weekends. Only the well off would have transport to carry their machine and I suspect would ride a more expensive and faster machine than a 125 Tandon! Note the lack of cars/vans in the paddock on photo 4.
Lights would have been removed either at home or at the meeting depending whether it would be dark before the rider reached home! Excellent photos Dave.
I've had a look at Bruce Main-Smith's copies of the 1953 and 54 Tandon sales brochures and the machine is almost certainly a Tandon Superglid (presumably pronounced Superglide). It appears in the '53 brochure along with the 197 Superglid Supreme but was not in the '54 one.
The attached copy of the announcement in 'Motor Cycling of Sept '52 shows both the Kangaroo and Superglid.
The Superglid has the larger 2 gall tank, the Kangaroo tank held only 1 gallon. Everything apart from the non standard seat fits the bill - which would have been £121 7sh 9d in 1953. Cheaper than most of it's rivals.
I'm intrigued by the cylinder head. When I bought my Kangaroo, it came with a 12D engine like the one in photo and in the 'basket' was one of those non standard heads! Photo attached.
Does anyone know anything about them? Presumably it improved performance, kept cooler and could have 2 plugs in case of 'whiskering', although your photo 2 photo appears to show a cable so presumable it was for a decompressor to help the not so good brakes of the day.
Excellent theme. Let us know where you post the Norton Inter and the G3 Dave.


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British Bikes / Re: Tandon Motorcycles
« on: March 08, 2012, 01:34:19 PM »
I'd be grateful to know if there were any issues with fitting the four speed box to the 6E engine. Is it just a straight forward bolt on exercise or are there a few things to watch out for?
Cheers,
Hi - I take it you mean to use an Albion 4 speed box. One or two people have made 9E 4 speed boxes fit. Much better gearchange mechanism. I fitted an Albion box to my Kangaroo. It was not as straight forward as I expected.
1. It makes the engine/gearbox unit around half an inch longer so does involve alterations to the engine mountings.
2. The Albion box also hangs out the back and fouled the swinging arm so I had to move the whole unit forward by about an inch with new engine plates.
3. The 3 speed engine to gearbox mounts are in the same place but the top flywheel side stud is in the gearbox, not the crankcase so the crankcase stud thread has to be drilled out and the crankcases shaped to accept a small od nut on a shorter stud. Sadly my mod failed when this crankcase mount broke free. If you can find a pair of 4 speed crankcases I would recommend it.
4. The Albion gearchange is very poor and timing the mechanism correctly is essential. Mine still jumps past 3rd into a false neutral. I'll be trying to sort that soon.

The long term plan for me is to fit a 9E/4 box like the conversion Harry Stanistreet does. Anybody know what's Involved?

Good luck

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British Bikes / Re: Tandon Motorcycles
« on: September 29, 2011, 11:54:30 PM »
I came across a Tandon Kangaroo trials bike basket case about 8 years ago.
As a pre65 trials rider I was intrigued by the model. I searched the internet but couldn't find a great deal about it but here's what I have found out.
The mark1 Tandon Kangaroo was available for 1951/2 as esometisse says with the 10d 125cc engine and shown well on the link.
The rear suspension was by rubber tubular block in compression by cantilever from the swinging arm under the engine as used on a couple of Tandon road models.
The lack of damping no doubt led to it being named the Kangaroo! Front suspension was by pogo forks of the period.
For 1953, the Mk2 Kangaroo replaced the mk1 and was given 'conventional' rear suspension with girling type units.
The Mk2 was also available as the Tandon Kangaroo Supreme with a 6E 197cc Villiers engine.
I bought the Kangaroo that turned out to be a Mk2 registered in Jan 1953 with a 125cc engine with a view to riding it in the Vintage 2 stroke class with the Yorkshire Classic MCC.
Over the period I gradually sorted it out. First job was to widen the rear end to take a 400 back tyre to replace the 325 originally fitted. Pogo forks would be no good so a set of heavyweight AMC units were engineered to fit.
A 6E 197cc engine was fitted using electronic ignition followed later by a 4 speed Albion gearbox (Tandon never fitted one). The frame is reminiscent of modern trials bikes with the low centre frame allowing a low seat height.
Why it didn't sell at the price would be down to a combination of fashion, lack of comptition success, suspicion of a budget brand and perhaps racial prejudice. 
I think you'll agree that the attached photo shows what a bonnie little bike the Kangaroo was.
So far it has completed two Scottish pre65 2 day trials and is brought out regularly in YCMCC events and not doing too badly.
The only other Mk2 I know of is in California! It was taken there in the 50s with a shipment of British lightweights to see what the Americans made of them. Not much I suspect but the Kangaroo survived and is in the process of being restored.
I also know of a Mk1 near Pontefract and would be keen to hear of the whereabouts of any others.
Tandon did market a 'Scrambler' until the company went bust. It sold reasonably well and had some success in Ireland I'm told.
SLR

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