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1961 Triumph Trophy TR6r. Alternator wiring problem
« on: February 24, 2014, 10:06:24 PM »
Help please
This is for my dad who,s scratching his head on this one.........

My existing alternator has 3 wires which do not mach up to the wiring harness colours which goes where ??

Existing......
Dark green/ black tracer
Light green/black tracer
Dark green/purple tracer

Alternator....
Green / yellow
Green / white
Green / black

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Re: 1961 Triumph Trophy TR6r. Alternator wiring problem
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2014, 06:02:04 PM »

My existing alternator has 3 wires which do not mach up to the wiring harness colours which goes where ??

Existing......
Dark green/ black tracer
Light green/black tracer
Dark green/purple tracer

Alternator....
Green / yellow
Green / white
Green / black

I'm not sure I quite understand. When you say: "existing" do you mean alternator or harness wiring, and "alternator" are they the actual alternator (stator) wires or the harness to the alternator? ?     


"Dark green/ black tracer", "Light green/black tracer", "Dark green/purple tracer" are not standard Triumph alternator wiring colours of the period, so I suggest Dad checks where those three wires go, as then it may be posible to determine how to connect the alternator once we know what the odd colour wires connect to. 
« Last Edit: February 25, 2014, 06:06:37 PM by L.A.B. »
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Re: 1961 Triumph Trophy TR6r. Alternator wiring problem
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2014, 03:39:08 PM »
L.A.B
Thanks for your response :)
Just spoke to dad gone over your post with him.

Now i,m clear on what he's saying ok the ....

These all go back to the alternator and marked on it is model no RM14
Dark green / black tracer. 
Light green / black tracer.
Dark green / purple tracer

These are all the harness wires to the alternator....

Green/ black
Green / white
Green/ yellow

Dad is suspecting that at some point an aftermarket alternator was fitted to this bike hence the issue with the 3 strange wires with tracers in them.
Some have suggested that it does not matter what wire goes to what but surely it must......

Thanks for your help

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Re: 1961 Triumph Trophy TR6r. Alternator wiring problem
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2014, 04:58:41 PM »



These all go back to the alternator and marked on it is model no RM14
Dark green / black tracer. 
Light green / black tracer.
Dark green / purple tracer

Dad is suspecting that at some point an aftermarket alternator was fitted to this bike hence the issue with the 3 strange wires with tracers in them.

The stator output wire insulation usually hardens, becomes brittle and eventually disintegrates from engine heat and primary case oil contamination over time, the copper strands then break (as well as sometimes being sawn into by a loose primary chain) so it isn't unusual to find the original stator wiring has been replaced, usually with whatever colour wires the owner happens to have lying around.

According to the Lucas technical manual of the period, the early alternator wire colours were Dark Green, Mid Green and Light Green, unfortunately Dark Green/Black, Light Green/Black and Dark Green/Purple means nothing to me. 

As the RM14 is an early unencapsulated stator it may be possible to identify the wires by looking at the stator.

The information in the link describes how to identify the wires of an RM18/19 stator, but I'm guessing the RM14 could be the same.
http://www.bsa-c15.org.uk/c15_alternator_wiring.htm

     

Some have suggested that it does not matter what wire goes to what but surely it must......

If it happened to be a 3-phase alternator then it wouldn't matter, however the RM14 is a single-phase three-wire alternator, so connecting the wires incorrectly may cause either under or over charging as there is no voltage regulator in the original system.


Lucas tech. sheets:
http://www.britishonly.com/tech/manuals/sb519.asp

   
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