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Villiers overheating problems
« on: May 31, 2008, 07:32:23 PM »
Hi Yall
        can anyone help me with an overheating problem on my Villiers 32a engine fitted on a Greeves Scottish trials. It's been stood for about 11 years before i bought it. It now starts and sounds fine but overheats after about 5 minutes to the point of seisure . I have changed crank seals and jets etc in carb and mix the petrol at 5% (20-1) only to have the same result.
Any help will be greatfully recieved.

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Re: Villiers overheating problems
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2008, 08:47:53 PM »
Hi Mondo, if the bike was restored some years ago and was of a nice appearance when you bought it it may be that the engine was not built but just put together.I would suggest first check the ignition timing make sure the mixture is not weak,if these points are OK then check the piston/bore sizes are fine, you must have a gap to allow for the expansion of the piston.Also check the gap in the piston rings is adequate.I presume you are riding the bike rather then just running the engine which would increase the engine temperature.I do not have any info.on this particular model of engine but I would have thought 20-1 petroil mixture was rather too much oil for a late model villiers engine {do check first, please ,before you change it]good luck.  Harry

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Re: Villiers overheating problems
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2008, 10:05:55 PM »
Hi Harry, Bike was being used in trials prior to being ridden in to the garage never to see the light of day untill I aquired it. Timing was checked when  crank seals were changed but I will check again. Regards petroil mix all info I can find for this model is 20-1 but once again I am happy to take on board any suggestion otherwise.Many thanks for your time in replying to my cry for help and I will try all your suggestions.
Cheers, Mondo

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Re: Villiers overheating problems
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2008, 10:42:33 PM »
As far as the mix is concerned it depends on the oil you use.  The original figures for the old strokers are based on standard engine oil and shouldn't be adhered to for modern synthetic 2-stroke oils.  I run a Villiers 1H engine on 40-1 with a synthetic 2-stoke oil, but it can vary slightly depending on what grade/make of oil; you'd do well to find someone who regularly uses a Villiers/Bantam and find out what oil and mixture they use.  At any rate modern oil is much, much better than the original 'crudes' they were running on so it won't do much harm to run it rich and gradually use less oil until you find a suitable ratio.

The overheating problem is unlikely to be caused by the petroil unless you're running it very hard and lean, which it seems you haven't.  Has the barrel been lacquered/powdercoated/enamelled? Sometimes -depending on the coating material - this can insulate the barrel itself and prevent the heat dissipating properly; not normally a problem on four-strokes but I've heard it can happen on strokers.
Have you checked the exhaust pipe? If that's full of carbon and choking up there will be a lot of exhaust gas (ergo, heat) being contained in the cylinder.
Aside from this all I could think of, as Harry pointed out, is that someone may have fitted a piston/rings too much oversize for the bore.  It's not highly likely, but stranger things have certainly been known to happen.
Alternatively you might be leaving the choke on too long, but I can't imagine that being so detrimental so rapidly.

Hope you get to the bottom of it,

Blue

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Re: Villiers overheating problems
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2008, 11:20:48 PM »
Thanks for all your suggestions and fingers crossed after starting from scratch it now seems fine although not had time to give it a good try. Just out of interest I did notice oil around the decompressor and found it to be leaking ever so slightly so I wonder if that could have been the problem.
Once again thanks.
Mondo