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Villiers engine ID with photos
« on: March 07, 2012, 09:17:49 PM »
Hi All

just attaching some photos of the Villiers engines i got with 3 frames that are suposed to be Coventry Eagle Frames. 

The engine numbers are:

148cc X11-C is GY 7739  ........ the book says its 1931 - 1940.  Is there any way of being able to narrow that down to a specific year?

Niether of the XV1-A engine numbers match up with anything I have been able to find in books, manuals or on line.  Again is there any way to find the actual year, cause from what I have read up about the Coventy Eagles there were quite a few modifications or upgrades done on a regular basis.

XV1-A is AU 1737
other XV1-A is AU 1960

Regards

Robin

PS I am attaching the Coventry eagle frame photos in another one of these

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Re: Villiers engine ID with photos
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2012, 10:08:57 PM »
Hi kiwiringy,
You'll be happy to know your chances of precisely dating your engines are close to zero. Villiers give the range of years an engine was made but little information on precisely when an individual engine was produced. Not only that but if the order was big enough Villiers would make all sorts of minor alterations to an engine that look significant but have no real impact to the basic engine underneath. For example, they would change the position of the sparkplug, fit fixed ignition or adjustable depending on how they attached the magneto backplate. Fit coil ignition or magneto ignition with a dynamo for the lights, have a different shape to the inlet manifold, the minor permutations are endless but none of them affect the basic engine so a standard workshop manual applies to all.
In addition to the above in your own case they made a special drive side crankcase for the Cov Eagle to mate with the early enclosed primary chain. This makes a Cov Eagle engine very easy to identify.
As to the engine number prefix that identifies what engine you have no complete list exists. There are some very extensive ones in various Roy Bacon publications but he makes it very clear they are incomplete, that he was unable to obtain them all. As a result I have been slowly building a little list of engine numbers not in Bacon and have 50 odd so far.
On this list is AU as found on your Mk XVI-A engines. I'm fairly confident these were built for James. Certainly James sold well in prewar NZ, there are enough survivors for us to know that, so it looks like you have two James engines.
Cheers,
 

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Re: Villiers engine ID with photos
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2012, 09:43:21 AM »
Hi ya mate.  Thanks for all the information, but the puzzle only gets more intriguing........I have attached some more pics to show you.  My 247cc XV1-A engine code - AU 1960 you said was a James engine.  As you can see by the pics it has the Coventry Eagle special drive side crankcase to mate with the early enclosed primary chain.  Does that mean I have a hybrid of some sorts.  I have 3 manuals for coventry eagles and the 250cc engines look similar.  The 147cc engine has a different drive side crankcase made of pressed sheet steel similar to the red one in the pics.

I really want to get these as original as possible, so before I get to carried away with making parts and sourcing bits my search continues. 

There must be some archives somewhere...................... Can anyone point me in the right direction for my search or where to look next................HELP!