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British Bikes / Re: Watney m/c
« on: June 13, 2018, 10:07:54 PM »
Sorry, everything in my post seems to have been said before by others!
Maybe I missed the 2nd page! Oops. :-[

British Bikes / Re: Watney m/c
« on: June 12, 2018, 07:36:19 PM »
Rim sizes were based on the beaded edge tyre size back then. There were quite a lot more tyre/rim sizes available than there are today.
(I've got a new, old stock Dunlop Clipper 26 x 2 3/8 in the shed), god knows what size the rim should be!
Basically you have 2 choices, 26 x 2 or 26 x 2 1/2. I would suggest 26 x 2 1/2 is most appropriate - I have an early 20s 250cc Triple H that runs 26 x 2 1/2 tyres and rims.
The 26 x 2 size is more appropriate for veteran machinery, as tyre sizes started smaller (descended from push bike sizes) and grew as time progressed.
26 x 2 1/2 beaded edge tyres have had a supply problem recently (Ensign brand), but I believe it may be past or at least coming to an end.
The belt rim will be more of a problem. There is currently nobody in the UK making replacement belt rims. I've been investigating with a chap in West Yorks who used to be a supplier, but quit when the quality of deep drawing steel sheet dropped off, he claimed that 5 out of 6 rims ended up as scrap!
Still trying to coerce him into making an odd one for me, but as practically every belt rim is different, they are very labour intensive for creating the formers to help generate the shape.
Good luck with the rebuild, hope to see it at Banbury one day!

British Bikes / Re: Massey & Massey Arran motorcycles
« on: March 13, 2018, 10:40:04 PM »
It sure does! It may have come to me with:
the wrong engine
the wrong gearbox
incorrect wheels
but it did have Maplestone front forks.
I've only ever seen one other set sold on ebay about 18 months back, that were for a larger bike.
The guy selling had never heard of Maplestone.
More info/pics at www.
I knew it was an Ozzy design, but I'd no idea they were being made pre WW1.
Cheers Keith

British Bikes / Re: Massey & Massey Arran motorcycles
« on: March 04, 2018, 06:47:29 PM »
Hi Leon
I'm not totally confident on dates, but I think I remember reading in Tragatsch many years back, that Triple H came first, with the 250cc Morris engine. Although I got my bike without any documents/history, I've always thought of it as 1922.
At some point, 1 x Hobbis moved to Massey Arran. I think the story went that the other Hobbis and Horrell formed 'Triplette' using a different proprietary engine of 175cc. I don't think I've seen a picture of a Triplette, no idea if it looks similar to my bike (mine's the bottom version in the attachment). If M-A took over HHH premises, I don't know where the Triplette was assembled.

British Bikes / Re: Massey & Massey Arran motorcycles
« on: January 16, 2018, 10:47:34 PM »
Massey Arran were at one time in residence in Alvechurch Road, West Heath, Birmingham.
I believe it was just after Triple H stopped production round about 1923/4. (of interest to me as I have a Triple H, but don't have a M-A).
One of the 'H's of Triple H, a Mr Hobbis stayed on to become Massey Arran's works manager.
Not sure when M-A folded, but evidently they had moved to Blackburn by then.
Info from the late Bob Currie VMCC Journal April 1970.

Have you looked through the early 1920s issues of the Motor Cycle online?

The Classic Biker Bar / Re: Brake light
« on: November 07, 2017, 01:30:25 PM »
Just a comment on R's mention of the use of cycle rear LED lights..........I went down this route a couple of months back, as I wanted a rear brake light for a veteran (no electrics).
I went down to the local cycle accessory outlet, chose one with quite a large illuminated area and came home ready to work wonders.
I fitted a universal brake light switch low down, clamped the spring onto the dummy belt rim brake rod, and wired back to the picnic hamper I have on the rear carrier. I took the batteries out of the new light, and soldered wires to each internal terminal, drilled a hole in the body, brought the wires out and then sealed up the body. I then placed a remote battery pack with on/off switch in the picnic hamper and connected all up. The LED light has 3 modes, so chose the permanent illumination mode and left LED switch in this position. Adjusted until brake switch brought light on, and off as anticipated.
Imagine my surprise when I went out for a run and it stopped working - it turns out the LED circuitry has something that prevents this type of use! Anything more than 2 1/2 minutes gap between presses of the brake pedal, and it stops working! Dismount from the bike, press the LED switch 3 or 4 times to get back to square 1, and it becomes functional again.
I contacted the importers AND the Japanese manufacturers, both were totally unhelpful.

At that point I gave up!

Identify these bikes! / Re: Rusted, hanging on the wall in a Melbourne cafe
« on: September 30, 2017, 10:43:56 PM »
Don't know where chaterlea25 is located (I'm in the UK), but I have a bare Chater Lea hub in excellent condition and a Moss screw on hand change lever (may even still have the entire box). No idea what model CL the hub is for, or whether it's front or rear, but it's definitely marked up as CL. Both of no particular use to me. If interested, pm me. Stuff I'm interested in and looking for parts for:

Autojumble / Re: Early Enfield v twin forks etc
« on: July 07, 2017, 06:47:01 PM »
Hi Guys
I will admit I haven't tried Elk yet, only realised I had the problem 3-4 days back!
I doubt they will have anything this early, but you never know.......

There are also a couple of guys that I've heard of in the UK that specialise in girders, Jake Robbins and Jess Ryles - but I've no experience of their skills/competence.
I believe I've seen somewhere that Jake was constructing replica Webbs for Triumphs and/or maybe Castle forks for Broughs?
I probably won't take modifying on myself, as I'm not set up for checking square/parallelism etc. A good adjustable jig/framework will help enormously. Although I can make spindles, links, steering column/head.
The side profile is the same between the 2 different models, but the 3hp version is wider (frontal), and hence pulls in more for the top spindle tube.
If I do go down that route, at least I have a pair on the standard bike to check for correct geometry.

I believe the petrol tanks are original, mainly due to the attached fittings (the petrol taps are a work of art, being the full depth of the tank, complete with mesh filters). I'll pop a photo up on the site shortly. The oil tank is similar. They've been repainted, and one tank has a small patch to the underside where it has no doubt been cut to give access for de-denting. The side mounted sight glass has a nickel plated top, with "Davisons" stamped in - Davisons were advertising their tanks and fittings in the magazines of the time.

Shame that v twin motor went, I couldwould have been interested in that - even 1/2 a world away (recently had a set of New Hudson Druids sent over from New Zealand). Same goes for the 60 degree Bosch mag, they're like hen's teeth now. The shaft driven version fits the road bike, but the prototype/racer has a rather interesting (and scarey) chain drive. Still, my 2 lads are grown now, and I don't have a need to add to the world's population any further!

I should have been into this game a bit earlier, instead of Lego (mind you, the internet is a wonderful thing for putting people and parts together).
Cheers Keith

Autojumble / Early Enfield v twin forks etc
« on: July 06, 2017, 05:14:46 PM »
Hi everyone.

This is a long shot........

I have a couple of really early Enfields, one complete/roadworthy, the other an incomplete project (see at
Both 1912, largely same cycle parts but different engines.
I bought the runner to help me with the restoration of the prototype/racer.
The prototype came with a set of fork legs, and I knew I needed to source/make the rest.
Now that I've compared the fork legs closely, and visited the Birmingham (UK) museum, I find the fork legs that came with the project are for a 425cc 3hp twin!

Hence I'm looking for a swop (or buy if anyone has a surplus set).
The fork legs I have are possibly new old stock, and fit the larger tyre size of the 3hp twin (I'm definitely NOT looking to sell them).

If all else fails, I may be able to cut and shut the 3hp forks, but I'd rather try all options before I resort to that.

Whilst I'm on, might as well see if anyone has bits of the 425cc 3hp engine spare? The project is a 345cc forerunner of the 425cc v twin, same stroke but smaller bore.
I'm missing some of the valve gear, should imagine that will all be the same as the 425cc kit. May take a complete engine if one turns up.

Come on, somebody surprise me...........

Autojumble / New Hudson 1930 500cc model 86
« on: October 09, 2012, 04:19:55 PM »
Hi, recently bought the above project bike that is short of a few bits, but has some spares for trade.
I need (for starters):
Correct Webb front forks
1930 petrol tank
Rear stand
can offer as swops
1929 petrol tank
Druid front forks
1927-8 engine (non dry sump)
May have few other bits if you've got what I want.
Cheers Keith

Autojumble / Burman 4 speed hand change gearbox
« on: August 22, 2012, 09:05:54 AM »
Hi, first post, so hoping all goes well.

I'm looking for the attached gearbox, a Burman 4 speed hand change from 1932 or thereabouts.
It was made in 2 versions, pivotal mountings and (as the one in the photo) sliding horizontal mountings.
They were fitted to New Hudsons, OK Supremes and Calthorpes.
I have a Burman parts list if anyone wants a scanned copy.
Can anyone help, even a horiz mount case would help.
Cheers Keith

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