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Re: New toy
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2017, 12:02:20 PM »
Well, I have seen worse. I expected worse.
If it was a 20s brit bike I'd be more encouraging.

Originally I though you had a sidevalve job.

To me, and as someone who was a professional restorer decades ago, yuu seem to be going a long way round to the end result. Plenty of period magnetos around and as yours is a 2 stroke it won't need advance so look around for one off a stationary engine.

Brazing old french cast iron might be problematic.
I would not have thought it hard to find, [thats find not 'source' notice] a timing cover from France, French ebay can be useful over a period.

That gearbox looks very similar to others in the Terrot/Magnat range, expect it to be knackered.

Use the net for info, this link might help for a start; http://www.terrot.org/musee_terrot/main.php?ID_type=122 

I can help with difficult french technical terms.

Its a better project than I assumed from past experiences, but I still would not have paid what you did for it. Also be prepared for it to be a tad younger, the guys who bring this stuff back are pig ignorant about such things.

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Re: New toy
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2017, 02:45:42 PM »

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Re: New toy
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2017, 04:15:18 PM »
Hi ALl,
When I opened the link to an ebay ad on the "What do I have" thread  this appeared in the linked pages

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1927-Motobecane-MB2-Vintage-Genuine-Board-Track-Racer/162721065367?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D46150%26meid%3D37364e8098db461cafde03a71f17950a%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D172936100608&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

What a total mis description and bordering on outright lies ???
Note the upside down mounted Albion gearbox

On French bikes, A friend who speaks fluent French picked up the remains of a 1929 Favor a while ago in France for
less then 200,
No engine, but the rest was almost complete,
The Staub gearbox and clutch (Burman pattern) were fairly well trashed but he was able to source another in France
and I rebuilt one from the two as the casing mounts differed
He had a JAP 250 engine that needed a home and it was an easy fit to the frame
Chambrie in France rebuilt the wheels supplied the tyres and made an exhaust and so on for very little 's compared to UK prices
It is almost finished now, at a fraction of the price of a pre 30 Uk built bike

So Colin,  keep going on the wee French 2 smoker  ;D

John


WTF!!!
John

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Re: New toy
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2017, 04:23:56 PM »
Wow, that will be an adventure!
Love the ideas to substitute the new parts for the old.
I spent ages getting old original to work, sometimes with success once I had found Villiers Services not far from me.
I look forward to your reports. :)

Always fancied doing a girder fork bike, but if I do it will be a bike where parts are easier to come by...

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Re: New toy
« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2017, 05:43:46 PM »
Tha "board tarck" racer is exactly sums up why I get so cheesed off about these imports. What a pile of crap and the whole ad is a tissue of lies.
Its what happens when the trendy blobber crapper crew get near a bike.

As I said before often, I quite like 1930s French bikes, they were often innovative, despite the technology not being up to their ideas, their steel for instance was not as good as ours. But their castings are good, with wide joint faces, they had unit construction, decent electrics, wheel bearing that were ball race not cup and cone, big section tyres and were quite comfortable with large saddles.
France after all is a very big country, the french are skinflints so economy and reliabilty was high on the list.

If anyone is in the market for a decent french bike of that era, take a holiday over there and visit some of their larger boot sales and get a bike thats less knackered and more complete for far less money.

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Re: New toy
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2017, 07:10:32 PM »
Many thanks for taking the time to find the links, I had seen the barrel on eBay but it defeats the object of the exercise here. I'm a bit strange in so much as I love a challenge and make or repair as much as I can. My aim is to use every original part including screws, washers etc. as I can, repairing whatever along the way. I realise that many of the bits probably aren't 1926 originals, but they're on the bike as I got it so.....
  My foundry set up is all self designed and made, it actually caused a bit of a stir in the home foundry world and due to popular demand I ended up writing a book on it. All my powder coating equipment is home designed and home made, including the sand blasting, powder gun and baking oven. I'm presently building a lathe / mill to give me a larger capacity machine than my Myford super seven, but taking up less space. Not that I will get rid of the Myford once it's done.
  Point being here is, I like to make things! I then get great pleasure putting the things I make to good use making or fixing other things. If this was a Triumph or Norton of the same era I would try to keep it as original as possible, sourcing whatever parts needed to make it right.
  I'm not "disrespecting" this bike but don't feel the same need for perfect originality. I actually first got interested in it as a rolling frame for an engine I intend to build from scratch from a re-print of a 1906 book I have. But then figured there's enough there to get it going as is and build my engine as a direct "drop in" to replace the original engine occasionally. This way I can enjoy it as a stink wheel and then when I fancy it, drop in my own 4 stroke auto inlet lump. Gives me a two for one deal!
  Making the timing cover, primary cover and magneto, repairing the broken fins and inlet stub will cost me nothing and keep me amused in the bargain. It will make it "my bike" and I'll be proud to ride it, even more so with my own engine in it.

Colin
1926 Magnat Debon, 1953 Bantam, 1955 Ariel Huntmaster, 1961 GPO Bantam, 1979 GS 850, 2001 Burgman 400, 2004 Burgman 650

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Re: New toy
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2017, 09:42:06 PM »
hmmm, I think yuu need a hobby ;)

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Re: New toy
« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2017, 10:24:58 PM »
Looks a great start and you have some good ideas too.
I would be TIG welding the cast stub to the barrel rather than braising, be a much sturdier job too.

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Re: New toy
« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2017, 11:18:01 PM »
I have my Terrot on www.terrot.org and people on there have been great even though the MT1 is not their cup of tea.
Chambrier are a really good company with a lot of parts and not a fortune.

Great project.