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British Bikes / Re: Vincent Black Shadow mo'bike:1953 model.
« on: June 08, 2011, 11:59:55 PM »
BTW  you haven't yet as far as I can see but please don't call them bikers at any time, not only is it a modern term, but most of us consider it derogatory.

This is a joke, right? Sarcasm is very difficult in print you have to give me a clue that your not joking.

Quote from:  bomber
If her only experience was with a Bantam (2 stroke).... bigger stuff (4 stroke) would be beyond her understanding... just a thought.

Yes, I had considered that. Conflict is very important in a plot, she doesn't manage very well...oh, there's a storm as well...  a group of facists are after them... and... boy, they shoulda' taken the 'orse.

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British Bikes / Re: Vincent Black Shadow mo'bike:1953 model.
« on: June 08, 2011, 12:32:52 PM »
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The male doesn't know dick about M/cycles   

The girl drives the m/cycle.

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Put them in  a sports car is the easy option. or a taxi or a bus, or a tandem :D

The only other alternative was an 'orse.

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British Bikes / Re: Vincent Black Shadow mo'bike:1953 model.
« on: June 08, 2011, 10:12:39 AM »
As in that era the most admired motorcycles  around the world were British, believe it or not, and BSA and Norton were the two most likely to be found in Spain I would suggest one of those, does it have to be 1000cc machine, size is not necessarily synonymous with power in older machines, a good 500 would see off any doggy old side-valve V twin and any American bike such as Harley or Indian [too cliched anyway]

I can see I'm tying myself in a knot here.  The male doesn't know dick about M/cycles and the female has ridden her brother's BSA Bantam and that's the extent of her knowledge.

Maybe I'd better stick to BSA's or Norton's. I want it to be an easy starter as long as you know where to switch the petrol on etc.  It should be a bit of a beast, too much of a handful for an eight stone female with limited experience. It needs to be something that would have appeal to an enthusiastic restorer. That's narrowed it down. Any suggestions?


Thanks everybody for the input.

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British Bikes / Re: Vincent Black Shadow mo'bike:1953 model.
« on: June 08, 2011, 08:44:59 AM »
A Belgian in Spain since 1945? what was he a collaborator/black marketeer/ war criminal on the run?

Sounds dodgy to me. I have had a lot of dealings with bikes in Spain, and indeed the peak of my dealings was in 1977-19 just after the fall of Franco. You are up against several problems of credibility here;.

The character is based on Leon Degrelle, (loads of google stuff) who would have been about 66 in 1972. He was admired by Franco and enjoyed priveleges and importing a m/cycle would not have been difficult.  In my version he lives in remote campo near Estepona in Andalucia. For the purpose of the plot, and because he is a bit old to ride m'cycles, I have decided he has restored this classic m/cycle. The escaping male and female steal it.

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After the civil war ended Franco put a block on all imports and of motor vehicles and spare parts especially. So by 1972  a hell of a lot of bikes were very badly butchered indeed just to keep them on the road.

Agreed, in another part of the plot I make reference to this. (I was there 1971-77) A common sight was to see women on the pillion of decrepit machines, riding sidesaddle!

I like the OHC Velo, I had settled on the Sarolea but I am worried that it might not be chain driven (plot purposes).

Good input, thanks.


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Any  large Belgian bike would have had to be pre war and therefore worn out.


I believe the Sarolea was used extensively as a sidecar vehicle during the war therefore must have been in prolific production, (but not the version in the picture R refers to... looking at the picture would you say it was chain drive?).

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British Bikes / Re: Vincent Black Shadow mo'bike:1953 model.
« on: June 07, 2011, 08:51:44 AM »
No it's genuine. If you have any doubt this is how it started.

http://www.writingforums.com/research/121636-vincent-black-shadow-mobike-1953-model.html
I've been a member there for four years. I got nil replies and one PM suggesting I try a specialist site.

So, anyone know when ignition keys became standard and were they in use on the (1945) Sarolea 1000cc?

My guess is they weren't. So soon after the war manufacturing capability would have been limited and innovative specification unlikely. Cars of that era would have door locks and push button starters.

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British Bikes / Re: Vincent Black Shadow mo'bike:1953 model.
« on: June 06, 2011, 09:53:45 AM »
Okay, thanks Rex (are you sure you're a king?)... snigger.

I've seen  a photo of the (1945) Sarolea 1000cc and it's just right, it looks as though there's a choke on the left handlebar, but I need to know if it has a 'key' ignition?  When were keys introduced?

The transmission looks to be 'rod' rather than chain, can that be right?

Welsh Wizard, yup, BSA for the brother's m/cycle.

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British Bikes / Re: Vincent Black Shadow mo'bike:1953 model.
« on: June 05, 2011, 09:54:44 AM »
Hold it! Hold it!........Sheeeeesh!

Okay, so I got it wrong, (sigh!).

It's 1972 in Spain. A male and a female are escaping from a remote house. They discover an immaculate well-loved m/cycle in the garage, the owner is Belgian but has lived in Spain since the end of WWII.

The male has never ridden a M/cycle and tries to start it but can't.  He is pushed aside by the female who has ridden her brother's m/cycle and knows the likely starting sequence.

Ther questions I should of asked:-

A.Can anyone suggest a M/cycle, which would be a desirable classic in 1972, that is heavy, with a pillion but has a reasonably simple starting procedure, i.e. no valve lifters ar magneto thingamebobs?

B. Can anyone suggest a M/cycle that the female's brother could of owned (pre 1969), which could be the basis of the females knowledge - something smaller and lighter, (could be two stroke)?

I thank you.

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British Bikes / Re: Vincent Black Shadow mo'bike:1953 model.
« on: June 01, 2011, 01:40:18 PM »
Thanks, R -

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Well, there are 2 carbs, to start with.
And the valve lifter, essential to get the crank to where it will start.
But you knew that...

Eh! No, what's a valve lifter?

What about the choke and ignition?

Rex, they are under time pressure and they can't get it started.

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British Bikes / Vincent Black Shadow mo'bike:1953 model.
« on: May 31, 2011, 12:44:41 PM »
For inclusion in a novel I would be grateful for the following information

Anyone know the starting procedure.
I am assuming:

•Turning on petrol tap under tank.
•Tickling the carb.
•1/4 throttle
•Kick start.
Questions;
•Did they have a key ignition?
•Was there a choke? (I presume there was one, was it on the right or left-hand side of the handlebars?)
•Am I missing something else?

  • Were there any quirks or foibles associated with the starting procedure that I could use for
authenticity?

Ta, qwerty.

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