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British Bikes / Re: Matchless overhead cam parts
« on: June 09, 2026, 07:26:55 AM »
Like most things there are more survivors than you think but the only local bike I know of is the Shannons bike and I don't know who owns that now. I'm sure someone would be grateful for those remains for spares but I'm no longer the person to ask.
In some ways it wasn't such a hard engine to rebuild. Matchless stuck to the same 69x93 bore and stroke for their 350 engines for near 40 years so a WD G3L piston just dropped in and the same WD G3L conrod was de-engineered backwards to fit. Matchless rarely did clean sheet designs but just steadily beefed parts up to suit later power outputs so for many parts you just have to de beef them and take them back to original. After a while you get to know the early Matchless parts numbering system and can track down many parts used across the range. Sometimes it really pays to specialise in a specific make and know it inside out. Makes life easier.
 

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British Bikes / Re: My 1951 G2 Trials
« on: June 09, 2026, 06:57:50 AM »
Even making your own nuts can become expensive nowadays. Sourcing Whitworth hex bar can be a drama and you have to decide between 26tpi carbon steel taps or high speed steel jobbies. Having long since built a good workshop range of 26 & 20 tpi taps I'm okay but I'd hate to be starting off now. It's great once you're set up but taps can get pricy if you don't watch out. I think I haunted every second hand tool merchant and machine shop clearance sales for years to get some of the more obscure sizes. Some of the various 1" plus 20tpi sizes for old fixed head side valve engines were a real find.
Any way, go to it Murdo. you'll be surprised how often having a tap of the right size gets you out of trouble. Just make sure you have dry long term storage for your hex bar.

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British Bikes / Re: Matchless overhead cam parts
« on: June 06, 2026, 08:30:09 AM »
It hasn't appeared. I'll start again.
This engine never did well, I think mainly due to its dismal lubrication system. Introduced in 1923 it ha the same system as its 350 side valve stablemate. Namely a total loss system that merely pumped oil into the engine to just splash around and hopefully oil everything. In this engine, being of ohc operation the oil line entry was up on the cam gear so you got steady drips on to the valve gear before it theoretically dripped down the cam drive at the cylinder rear to the timing gear train and hopefully after that through in to the crankcase where the big end and piston got what was left. Given the pump was driven as usual practice from down on the timing gear you can imagine how long it took before any oil got up to the cam gear and then started its long drip down to the bottom end. Valve guide lubrication to the exposed valves may have happened on the way through but don't hold your breath. 
It wasn't a happy arrangement and Matchless fiddled around with it for years eventually fitting a duplex Pilgrim pump with the top and bottom ends each getting their own feed.
By this time the factory only fitted it as an alternative 'sporting' engine in their 500ccc ohv single Model V series bikes and this is the version sold by Shannons. The engine did not survive the across the range change to dry sump lubrication in 1930 but that year the new 400cc  Silver Arrow was the Matchless pride and joy. Who needed to be reminded of a dud 350 ohc effort.
I know the Shannons bike quite well. I knew both the original gatherer of all the parts and the next owner who finished it. They were good mates. Both gone now. It would be a very interesting bike to own but definitely one to trear cautiously.   

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British Bikes / Re: Matchless overhead cam parts
« on: June 06, 2026, 06:03:37 AM »
I replied to this but my reply seems to have gone missing. I know these engines quite well. I'll hang on and see if my answer pops up otherwise I'll have to type it all out again which I don't want to do if I can avoid it. Watch this space!!! 

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British Bikes / Re: Albion gearbox BF436 - where used?
« on: May 27, 2026, 08:23:13 AM »
Interesting. I don 't know that I'd be too keen to mix up oil and grease myself but I think I'll look more kindly on that stuff they recommend for vintage car steering boxes and the like. Can't remember what Penrite call it. Thick like grease when cold but quickly liquefies when stirred up. Thixotropic?

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British Bikes / Re: Albion gearbox BF436 - where used?
« on: May 27, 2026, 05:11:05 AM »
Albion introduced their first “Featherweight “ 4 speed box intended for up to 150cc machines in January 1933. Unfortunately the majority of the motorcycle industry were reluctant to take it on for their bottom of the range lightweights as it was dearer than the EJ 3 speed.
Some did but the general attitude seemed to be that they were building cheap’n’nasties and building an optional cheap and interesting version wasn’t going to happen.
I can see why Albion wasn’t interested in making a close ratio 3 speeder when they had difficulty selling their much better 4 speed box intended for the same purpose.

Curiously I’ve never seen any Albion literature advocating a thin grease. Where did you get that?

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British Bikes / Re: Albion gearbox BF436 - where used?
« on: May 26, 2026, 09:26:34 AM »
Back to Albion boxes. I've just returned from the State Library where I was ploughing through 1931 copies of MotorCycling. The 11/11/31 copy had a paragraph introducing the new "E Junior", a new 3 speed box for featherweights up to 150cc. Weight 12 lbs. internal ratios 1.57 and 2.78 to 1. High gear the usual direct drive 1:1 of course.
Then referred to the the regular 'E' for 200-300cc machines and advised the smallest 2 speed as redeveloped in 1931 was still to be produced.
The new box of course is the good old EJ, probably the most common survivor found today. As the cheapest 3 speed box they made it was calmly fitted by all and sundry to whatever piece of equipment they needed a box for and  absolutely no notice paid to the factories advice it was a featherweight for up to 150cc engines only. It was the cheapest they could buy and who cared if it was ferociously overloaded. Lucky for us it was tougher than the factory thought. Love them.

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British Bikes / Re: Albion gearbox BF436 - where used?
« on: May 22, 2026, 03:07:43 AM »
I like the oil filling system shown on those ads. A hollow mounting bolt with a cycle lubricator on top. I wonder how long it took to fill the box through that.

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British Bikes / Re: Albion gearbox BF436 - where used?
« on: May 20, 2026, 07:23:21 AM »
It’s got a rocking pedal foot change on the other side. Pretty simple with a two speed box. No fancypositive stop arrangement needed. Push down as far as it will go at one end for low gear. Push the other end down as far as it will go for high gear. Let it flap around in the middle for neutral.

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British Bikes / Re: Albion gearbox BF436 - where used?
« on: May 20, 2026, 03:09:13 AM »
Yes, the awkward mudguards are a common mistake and so easily avoided.
The reason is obvious. The restorer has used a common aftermarket 'universal' 19" guard. These are generally made to suit heavier bikes with up to 3.50x19" tyres. These give a total diameter of 26" when fitted. On the other hand all these lightweights use 2.75x19" tyres (BSA Bantam size) giving a total fitted diameter of 24.25". Using a guard intended for the larger diameter is just wrong. The near 2" clumsy gap when installed is wildly obvious no matter what you do.
If you're not willing to spend money to get them right then using Bantam guards or some other lightweight guards as a foundation will give you a much better look than wrong size aftermarkets. They are at least made to suit the same size wheels.
There are other points that I'd comment on if I was a concours judge but overall I'm pleased the bike was restored at all. I'm grateful for his efforts.
I think it's too over restored for a bike whose great selling point was how cheap it was and why fit the fancy Francis Barnett only flywheel cover, but that's just me. 

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British Bikes / Re: Albion gearbox BF436 - where used?
« on: May 19, 2026, 07:43:11 AM »
Well, two questions.
How many Model ! Excelsior do I have? One on the road and enough parts, frames, forks, tanks etc to build the full set with all engine and gearbox configurations. Over the years I've run the various combinations at one time or another and currently I have the i72cc Sport engine fitted with a 2 speed box. I have the 3 speed box but it isn't much of an improvement as it has the same ratios as the 2 speeder plus a lower first gear. This is only of use on the most desperate of hills. Of little practical value for normal road use. I have the internals of an early Albion 4 speed lightweight box but am still looking for the right casing. That should make things interesting. Hand change of course, got to keep things entertaining. The original plan was to have the full set on the road but other projects plus creaking bones and joints keep getting in the way.

Leon, the box id numbers seem to have have nothing to do with the year of manufacture. Being a proprietary item as with Villiers engines they didn't make annual changes and just kept making them whilst there was a viable market and in some cases seem to have stopped production and started again if sales picked up. I don't know all the subtleties of whether they avoided confusing letters such as O or I.
My info takes us a few steps further forward but there's still a long way to go. 
 

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British Bikes / Re: Albion gearbox BF436 - where used?
« on: May 19, 2026, 03:55:49 AM »
The numbering is actually quite simple. It just doesn't necessarily give you the information you seek.
Rule of thumb is as follows. The first letter usually broadly identifies the type of box. I'll use an imaginary Type "A" box, possibly even the second letter so you might have an "AB" box.  Albion then used a batch numbering system so their boxes were numbered in batches of 999 using an alphanumeric system. The first batch would be AA 001 to AA 999. The second batch would be AB 001 to AB 999, third batch AC 001 to AC 999 and so on finally up to AZ 001 to AZ 999 whereupon they would just add another letter, now AAA and start again, AAA 001 to AAA 999 then AAB 001 to AAB 999, AAC 001 to AAC 999. Finally when they arrived at AAZ they would start again at ABA to ABZ then ACA to ACZ and on it goes.
This is more of a factory internal numbering system so they could keep track of internal production than an individual box identifier. As minor variations seem to have been carried out within each batch to suit various buyers it's not necessarily much help for outsiders to identify exactly what bike an individual box was made for. Albion knew and the original buyer knew but our chances of finding out 90 years later are slim.
I found all this out with my 1929 2 speed Excelsior Model 1. The original box was badly cracked so I found an identical replacement and restored that. When I came to fit it I found the identical top mounting arrangements were actually 1/4" further away from the centreline than the original. The primary chain alignment was 1/4" out. It was an entertaining exercise safely moving everything to suit.
Any questions?
 

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British Bikes / Re: Albion gearbox BF436 - where used?
« on: May 18, 2026, 09:13:23 AM »
Also used on the ultra-ultra cheap 98cc Villiers Midget powered machines brought out in 1931 to keep factories ticking over in the depths of the Great Depression. Excelsior were the first in April 1931 with their 14 guineas (!4 pound & 14 shillings) utility model 0, that's 0 for zero, not the letter O. When your normal range is all numbered models starting at Model 1 for the smallest, a 150cc bike, then how do you number the even smaller new 98cc model you're introducing? It becomes the Model 0.
Within weeks Coventry Eagle, Dot and Sun had also introduced their 98cc Midget powered bikes, all with the same 2-speed no kick starter box. Both Wolf and Gloria (name used by Triumph) followed on shortly afterwards. Reputedly it also sold in Continental Europe but I don't have any information on them.
The various road tests all emphasised how easy they were to start by just pushing off with your feet but very quickly the slightly more expensive kick start version of the same two speed box was offered as an extra.

So, that box could have come out of a number of makes until at least the middle 1930's. Information is sparse on all of them.

Deciphering the Albion gearbox numbering system is another thing altogether and isn't very helpful as you still have to deal with the slightly different versions of the same box which the numbering system doesn't seem to recognise.

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British Bikes / Re: “Star” motorcycles
« on: March 12, 2026, 12:58:30 AM »
Yes, the Villiers industrial side is boring. Their four stroke industrial engines were in response to War Office demands for small engines opening up a new market for them which they kept on with post war. Their motorcycle engines and post war industrial two stroke engines diverged mightily with little in common. The industrial side essentially stayed with 1930's design and technology, basic and cheap but irrelevant for motorcycles..
They bought out both JAP and BSA industrial engines but eventually got caught up in the whole motorcycle industry amalgamation thing when AMC folded. By then Francis Barnett and James were their major motorcycle engine customers, both owned by AMC who also owned Norton. I don't know all the financial shenanigans but the British manufacturing industry was collapsing everywhere which left Villiers no one to supply with their engines. It doesn't matter what you make, if your customers disappear you're dead in the water.
About all the industrial side is good for is as a source of ignition spares and the occasional piston otherwise irrelevant.
 

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British Bikes / Re: “Star” motorcycles
« on: March 11, 2026, 09:04:48 AM »
As you say Leon, interesting reading. I’d hate to be an accountant trying to make sense of all the financial shenanigans in and around the various Williams family members. They all looked out for each other and equitably shared out the proceeds but what a tangle.
I too would like to read the next few pages.
And Reg got his dates a little wrong with the Villiers factory in Ballarat. Was set up in the mid-50’s just in time to greet the Japanese coming into the market. As we know, it didn’t end well for Villiers.

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