excelsior model???

[aGooner]

good afternoon all,,, can anyone  identify the model of this excelsior for me plz i bought a job lot of bikes and bits and this is a photo of the bike in its glory, the bike is in bits now not sure if its complete need the model  so i can get a manual ect to rebiuld it many thanks Alan,,,...

[esometisse]

I'd say it's an R2 of about 1952 with the 197cc 6E Villiers engine but engine and frame numbers would certainely help the experts date your machine more accurately

Cheers
Andy

[aGooner]

the frame number is   WDS 4084

[G1ULZ]

I  think  its  a  Birmingham  Reg  for  1956,  My  Bantam  was  JOL 86  January 1949.

[33d6]

For some reason I only get the front wheel when I try to enlarge the photo so I can't get a good look at the engine but I suspect it is not the 197cc 6E Villiers but the smaller 125cc 10D Villiers. It doesn't sit as high as the bigger engine so you get a bigger space between the cylinder head and tank. The cycle parts are identical for both and the power units are interchangeable so it makes no matter.
Both the 10D and 6E were made from 1948 to 1953 and unfortunately for you Excelsior used the WDS frame prefix for their plunger sprung frames in 1951-52 & 53, so it is difficult to glean any more from the photo other than your bike was made between 1951 & 53. The engine number would help if you have the original engine.
Although identical except for the engine Excelsior used different model names for essentially the same bike. The 10D version was the Universal, the 6E version was either the Roadmaster or the R1.
Tracking down the reg number looks to be your best bet.
You won't get far looking for a workshop manual. The best you will do is a riders handbook, Villiers own literature and hopefully an illustrated spare parts list. Workshop manuals as they are known today were rare beasts back then. Don't worry, like all British lightweights of the time they are quite simple bikes and you can't go far wrong.
Cheers,

[esometisse]

33d6 is right, of course! Your bike has indeed a 122cc 10D engine, not the 197cc 6E as I thought first. As the bike appears to have no battery, it would be the direct-lighting type U1 Universal.

 Andy

[aGooner]

cheers thanks for your replys,,, ive looked @the paperwork when i bought the bike and found the bottom half of the engine which is all that came with it the number is  932/22311D which i think is a 1950/51  10D 122cc cheers Alan,,,......

[33d6]

Yes, Roy Bacons book identifies the engine as 10D and used by OEC but my local State Police records also show that 932 engine number prefix as 1951 Excelsior Universal. As OEC were never a major player anywhere near the size of Excelsior I suspect Villiers would have supplied them with some of the engines made for Excelsior.  Excelsiors are thin on the ground nowadays but I've only  seen one two-stroke OEC ever.
Cheers,