Please can anybody identify this bike?

[jensen]

Hello,
I need help to identifying the bike badge found from tank:

Thanks

[rogerwilko]

Someones doodling??

[jensen]

Someones doodling??

Hard to believe that - image's quality was relatively high, with red-golden colors. Similar badge I've been seen in some british bicycles.
http://oldbike.wordpress.com/1944-royal-ladies-bicycle/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/smallwheelsociety/1407504927/
any ideas?

[cardan]

Transfers like this are quite generic: the manufacturer (of the transfers) had sample books (I have seen one) with literally hundreds of transfers to choose from, and the buyer would choose the design, specify the text, and the full transfer would be supplied. Thus many small manufacturers have similar transfers - crowns were particularly popular.
Can we see a photo of the tank that the transfer is on?
Cheers
Leon

[jensen]

Can we see a photo of the tank that the transfer is on?

Hi,
the image on the tank is nearly completely destroyed - therefore, it can be only show as a figure. The image on the tank is visible  at an certain angle seen against the light. The tank was overpainted and the image scratched. There some pictures:

[esometisse]

I don't get it...Do you only have the tank or what? Show the whole bike and someone will identify it, tank transfers overpainted or not.
If you don't have a bike, at least show the tank from several angles and give measurements!

Cheers
Andy

[jensen]

Sorry guys. There some pictures.

[Bomber]

I don't know whether this will be a help or not, but I have just recently read about a frames being numbered under the headstock like yours and it said the marque was a 'Granby'.  I have no Idea where I read it nor indeed have I heard of Granby motorcycles (save the modern bike dealers), but the frame marking was so unusual it stuck in my memory. Sorry in advance if this is a red herring

[jensen]

Thanks - looking hard but there's also no hints about Granby as a motorbike manufacturer so far. No reasonable place found for nameplate on frame also. There's opinions from other forums about that it might be a motorbike from some German manufacturer (especially because of a front end design - it looks like pretty standard piece on German bikes from 30's and 40's). 6-digit frame number would give rise to think as a pretty large manufacturer. The frame numbers of some producers match with some models (e.g. Miele H3, DKW Block 200), but unfortunately different look and design.

[RichP]

Are the threads metric or Imperial ? That will narrow things down a bit.

[esometisse]

this can't be the real frame number. The whole point of numbering a frame is to do it in a way that it can't be removed easily.
Remove the front forks from your bike and your "frame number" is gone - doesn't make sense. So this number is a dead end.
It could be that your bike has no frame number at all - a lot of manufacturers did only number their engines.
Good idea about the thread sizes. And you could show us how the fuel tank cap is held on - this too could point in a certain direction - mainland Europe or UK manufacturer.

Cheers

[jensen]

Are the threads metric or Imperial ? That will narrow things down a bit.

All threads are metric indeed.

this can't be the real frame number. The whole point of numbering a frame is to do it in a way that it can't be removed easily.
Remove the front forks from your bike and your "frame number" is gone - doesn't make sense. So this number is a dead end.
It could be that your bike has no frame number at all - a lot of manufacturers did only number their engines.

Good point - but have seen some manufacturer's frame labels are for example on a chain protector (!) or on a rear swing which is fixed with bolts to a main frame - both are easily removed and doesn't make sense at all .

And you could show us how the fuel tank cap is held on - this too could point in a certain direction - mainland Europe or UK manufacturer.

I will make some pictures from a cap soon.

[jensen]

Hi, there some pics from a cap.

[esometisse]

the gas cap is clearly "continental style", meaning not very likely of British origin. So this is in accordance with the metric threads on the bike.
I think you have to reconsider the tank decal. An inscription like you suggested wouldn't make much sense on a German or French machine.
I had a look at the major manufacturers that used pressed steel girder forks such as DKW, Zündapp, Puch or Jawa but their designs are different.
So no new ideas from me, sorry...

Cheers
Andy

[jensen]

Found some pictures from a Brennabor witch has a exact same stripes on frame as my frame does. Brennabor had also model nameplates attached on front fender. Similar are also stripes and paint pattern on both fenders. The tank looks a bit different. Current model I've found from net has a Sachs 98 ccm engine with pedals. Unfortunately I've found no Brennabor models with a kickstarter engine so far. Any ideas -  does Brennabor had this kind of models in production?