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Offline crisT140

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Some Triumph T140 questions
« on: May 22, 2007, 04:48:30 AM »
Dear All,

I recently bought a 1975 Bonnie US spec, the owner is away
at the moment so I can't ask him, but he mentioned this below:

'Cush Drive rubbers whilst serviceable are getting soft'

I can't find much about what this means?

Also I was thinking of putting Norton peashooters on this bike, what are the implications.  I am not looking for faster performance just a nicer look to the bike.

And finely any good tips for balancing the Amal carbs, the bike was running rich, but since trying to balance them one is rich the other seems perfect. They are brand new carbs, I checked the needle, its set at the top slot, its the right sort jet (190), I use VSP for the unleaded needs, does that effect running in anyway?

many thanks for any advice.

Cris

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Re: Some Triumph T140 questions
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2007, 06:56:01 AM »
The cush drive rubbers are fitted inside the clutch centre, there are normally six of them, three drive rubbers and three rebound rubbers. After an extended period the rubbers can soften and eventually break up.

You may need to change the carb jets and settings for the peashooters.

How did you balance the carbs? Did you use a set of vacuum gauges?

What throttle position is the lean running problem occurring?

What positions are the pilot air screws set to on each carb

VSP shouldn't affect anything if you are using the correct amount?
L.A.B.

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Re: Triumph T140
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2007, 03:13:15 AM »
Hi L.A.B.

Thanks for your reply.

When do you know when to replace the cush drive rubbers?

I only tried balancing the carbs by taking the plugs off alternatively
and adjusting the air regulating screw and throttle stop screw.
I am wholly ignorant of vacuum gauges, they sound more accurate,
I would be interested to know how they work?

It has been running rich on the right side and normal on the left.

The air regulating screws are: left 3 stops, right about 5.

I generally test the carbs by running the bike to work (8 miles) so it goes through many throttle positions, should I be trying just one setting at a time?

With the  VSP I went to website and it said 6.25ml to the litre, so normally I put in 8 litres and 50ml VSP.

Kind regards


Cris

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Re: Triumph T140
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2007, 06:11:34 AM »
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When do you know when to replace the cush drive rubbers?

The previous owner may have noticed a change, possibly the primary transmission was getting a little harsh when going from drive to overrun or vice versa?

Or maybe he had inspected them and found they were getting soft? Sometimes small pieces of rubber can be found in the bottom of the primary case when rubbers begin to break up.

Have you noticed any jerkiness in the primary transmission when rolling the throttle on or off?
If not then there may be nothing much to worry about, although if the rubbers are original they are over 30 years old and could probably be overdue for replacement?

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I only tried balancing the carbs by taking the plugs off alternatively
and adjusting the air regulating screw and throttle stop screw.

Removing each plug in turn is one way to set the throttle stops (but removing plug caps with the engine running is not really recommended if you have an electronic ignition system fitted as it could eventually damage the ignition unit or coils) and the pilot mixture would normally be set by turning the pilot screws to give the most even running on each cylinder.

The throttle slides also need to be synchronised using the cable adjusters on top of the carbs.  

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I am wholly ignorant of vacuum gauges, they sound more accurate,
I would be interested to know how they work?

Vacuum gauges generally give a visual indication of the throttle positions, so by setting the vacuum readings to read equally for both carbs both throttles can be accurately synchronised for lift and throttle stop positions, and you can immediately see any changes in vacuum as you make the adjustments. The gauges are connected between the carb throttle and the cylinder head by rubber pipes, sometimes it is necessary to drill and tap a connection for the pipe adaptor in the inlet somewhere although many modern bikes have these as standard but on a Bonneville the balance pipe can be temporarily removed and the pipe stubs used as the vacuum connections.  

I use a Morgan Carbtune (4 cyl.) rod/tube type balancer http://www.carbtune.com/index.html although there are various different types available (gauge and electronic etc.).  

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he air regulating screws are: left 3 stops, right about 5.

Not sure what you mean by "stops"? Normally I would expect the (Amal Mk1) carb screws to be set around 1.1/2 turns out?

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I generally test the carbs by running the bike to work (8 miles) so it goes through many throttle positions, should I be trying just one setting at a time?

If the bike is running OK then there may be nothing much wrong? However if there is a problem where one carb is constantly rich (black sooty smoke? sooty plug?) then maybe the carbs need to be cleaned and the float heights checked, and check the floats are not sticking and that petrol has not got inside them as the floats are hollow and the seams can split?

Here is some carb info you may find useful: http://www.jba.bc.ca/Bushmans%20Carb%20Tuning.html

« Last Edit: May 24, 2007, 12:09:07 AM by L.A.B. »
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Re: Some Triumph T140 questions
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2007, 02:43:30 AM »
Time to put all your good advice into action.

Something else I have noticed though, is that the front forks stick down. This happens when I apply the brakes, say coming up to lights, they quickly pop up again is this normal or a sign of anything?

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Re: Some Triumph T140 questions
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2007, 03:09:53 AM »
I presume that the fork oil has at least been changed (hopefully not too long ago)?  


The forks shouldn't stick down like that, possibly they are twisted out of line slightly?
You could try slackening the wheel spindle clamps, mudguard brace fittings and lower yoke pinch bolts, then sit on the bike and apply the front brake and then pump the forks up and down hard, that might straighten everything up, then re-tighten everything.

If that doesn't work then a fork strip-down would be needed to check that the stanchions (fork tubes) are not bent and that there is no other wear or damage.

This T140 wouldn't happen to have a double front disc kit fitted would it? Or a fork brace?

      
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Re: Some Triumph T140 questions
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2007, 04:03:53 AM »
I don't know if when the fork oil was changed. I will try slackening things
and retighten to see if it improves. Single disk and no fork brace. Thanks again.

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Triumph T140 questions
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2007, 02:44:55 AM »
Just me again, I tried loosening  all the necessary bits to the forks and pumped them up and down a few times, re tightened from the bottom and if anything the forks stick more now, could this mean I need to do it again, or are the forks are bent, maybe I did not do it sufficiently?

Another thing, I looked in the gearbox side and there seems to be very little oil in there, I bought some EP 90 today and was wondering if I should put some in and how do I know how much?, plus I have read in the manual about the chain case oil level, again how do I know how much? Does the T140 need this?

Cris

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Re: Triumph T140 questions
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2007, 03:32:45 AM »
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Just me again, I tried loosening  all the necessary bits to the forks and pumped them up and down a few times, re tightened from the bottom and if anything the forks stick more now, could this mean I need to do it again, or are the forks are bent, maybe I did not do it sufficiently?

You do need to pump the forks hard so that they move as far as possible, and it is possible to hold the front wheel between your legs and twist the forks by turning the bars until you find a spot where the forks move more freely and then re-tighten?
If that doesn't work then you may need to investigate further by stripping the fork legs?

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Another thing, I looked in the gearbox side and there seems to be very little oil in there, I bought some EP 90 today and was wondering if I should put some in and how do I know how much?, plus I have read in the manual about the chain case oil level, again how do I know how much? Does the T140 need this?

Gearbox:

If you look underneath the gearbox on the right hand side near the inner cover joint you should find a hexagon with a smaller hexagon in the middle of it?

The small hexagon is the level bolt, unscrew it, and slowly add gearbox oil until it starts to drip from the level bolt hole.
The large hexagon is the gearbox drain bolt, so remove it to drain the gearbox.

Primary chaincase:

The primary chaincase on a T140 (and late T120 models 1970-on) shares its oil with the engine as the engine breathes through the primary chaincase on these models, and is self levelling, so after an initial fill (if the chaincase oil has been drained) then it should need no more oil adding to it.
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Re: Some Triumph T140 questions
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2007, 06:16:39 AM »
Thanks again, I reckon I did not really do enough to the forks from your comments. I will have another go. I will top up the gear box as suggetsted.

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Re: Some Triumph T140 questions
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2007, 04:36:32 AM »
Dear L.A.B.

I found the small hexagon bolt undid it and oil immediately came dripping out so I presume that it is full.

Another thing I have noticed, which I am not sure is a problem, is that the rubber connection between the carburretor and air box. The rubber that fits over the carburettors side do not have any clips holding them on they just slid over fairly snuggly, could this effect running?

Just to say I really appreciate all your excellent advise.


Cris

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Re: Some Triumph T140 questions
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2007, 05:39:40 AM »
*If* the rubbers fit fairly tightly then it probably will not affect the running, however there should be a jubilee type clip on each of the airbox rubber carb intake connections.  
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Re: Some Triumph T140 questions
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2007, 06:16:21 AM »
Dear L.A.B.

I found the small hexagon bolt undid it and oil immediately came dripping out so I presume that it is full.

Another thing I have noticed, which I am not sure is a problem, is that the rubber connection between the carburretor and air box. The rubber that fits over the carburettors side do not have any clips holding them on they just slid over fairly snuggly, could this effect running?

Just to say I really appreciate all your excellent advise.


Cris

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Re: Some Triumph T140 questions
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2007, 08:45:24 PM »
If only a few drops came out of the gearbox level plug this is from the level tube which will be full. If a steady stream is emitted then this shows the gearbox has been filled to over capacity, just let it find it's correct level. However as a matter of course I would change the gearbox oil so that I knew the correct grade of oil was used.

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Triumph T140
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2007, 04:14:47 PM »
My bike has had the engine rebuilt and is coming up for its first 500 miles. I was told to retightnen the head, any tips? Should I check tappet clearance at the same time?