Author Topic: Strange Bike II - What is it?!?  (Read 20017 times)

Offline zappaclassics

  • Advanced Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 6
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
    • View Profile
Strange Bike II - What is it?!?
« on: November 13, 2007, 01:57:07 AM »
Hi. Could you help me do ID this bike?

Offline cardan

  • Advanced Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1187
  • Karma: +19/-5
    • View Profile
    • earlymotor.com
    • Email
Re: Strange Bike II - What is it?!?
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2007, 10:33:05 AM »
I'm not sure of what the bike is, but I've seen the front forks before: they are identical in layout to those used by Puch around 1912. I'll stick my neck out and say that the forks are either made by Puch, or made by the company that supplied Puch.

The problem is that the bike is obviously much later than that - perhaps early to mid 1920s.

Was there a Puch that looked like this? Or perhaps another Austrian manufacturer?

Best regards

Leon

Offline zappaclassics

  • Advanced Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 6
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
    • View Profile
Re: Strange Bike II - What is it?!?
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2007, 03:33:56 AM »
Hi Leon,
Thats a real puzzle. Thaks for informations. In fact I think it could be a Puch, maybe pre 1910 (?!?).

The informations comes from the Motorcycle Museum of Vransko, Slovenia - www.muzej-motociklov.com - where they have a Puch "N" 1912 (two existing), Puch "D" 1906 (only one existing) and a Puch Zweizylinder 1904 (the oldest two culinder Puch still existing).

In the fork, left leg, exists the "P" letter, the same showed in the Puch "N" 1912 displayed in the Vransko Museum site.

I have no confirmation, could be wrong.

If you confirm what it is, please let me know.

Attached more pics

Thaks a lot

Mario Zapata

Offline zappaclassics

  • Advanced Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 6
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
    • View Profile
Re: Strange Bike II - What is it?!?
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2007, 03:37:18 AM »
More pics

Offline zappaclassics

  • Advanced Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 6
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
    • View Profile
Re: Strange Bike II - What is it?!?
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2007, 03:38:24 AM »
More pics

Offline zappaclassics

  • Advanced Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 6
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
    • View Profile
Re: Strange Bike II - What is it?!?
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2007, 03:39:35 AM »
More pics

Offline m3bobby

  • Advanced Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 86
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
    • View Profile
Re: Strange Bike II - What is it?!?
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2007, 06:21:29 AM »
The front forks looks similar to the Bohmerland.

Offline cardan

  • Advanced Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1187
  • Karma: +19/-5
    • View Profile
    • earlymotor.com
    • Email
Re: Strange Bike II - What is it?!?
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2007, 07:59:13 AM »
Hi Mario,

I think we're agreed that the front fork is Puch, so now it just comes down to identifying the rest of the bike.

With the better photos, it now seems stranger than before!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like the motor drives by chain to a countershaft, then on by another chain to the rear wheel. What's on the end of the countershaft? Is that large disk just for the generator to drive from? Or a clutch?

The back wheel looks interesting. Perhaps it has a clutch, or even a 2 speed gear inside? This fits in with the little I know about Puch. There is the remains of a c1912 model R2 here in Australia, which is similar to the Model N but has chain drive and a 2 speed gear in the rear hub. I have also seen an early 1930s Puch spilt single that has a "normal" gearbox, but has its clutch in the back wheel. Obviously Puch liked complicated rear hubs.

And isn't that another sprocket I see on the right side of the rear hub? For a pedal chain? If so, the hub could be pre-WW1.

To me, it is the frame of the bike that looks very strange. What are those lugs on the seat tube? If you look closely, does it look as if it has been altered?

And the motor? I'm not sure. I doubt very much if it is pre-1910, but it could be just pre- or post-WW1. Is it Puch? You might have to find a Puch expert to sort that out!

Here's my guess: I suspect the bike started out as an early Puch, and was heavily modernised (say in the 1920s) to lower the seat height, incorporate the generator, and generally make it look less antique.

Keep searching for info, Mario, you've got something very interesting here!

Leon

Offline Blue

  • Advanced Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 123
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Strange Bike II - What is it?!?
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2007, 03:59:47 PM »
The frame looks like a Nimbus frame, but I'm no expert

Offline m3bobby

  • Advanced Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 86
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
    • View Profile
Re: Strange Bike II - What is it?!?
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2007, 04:12:06 AM »
has the frame been adapted to fit a V twin? Behind the rear cylinder, on the down tube, is what looks like the remains of a tube which would have been joined to the lower tube under the tank. Perhaps the lowere tube was shortend, brazed to the upper tube and the down tube bent rearward to give more space for the v Twin motor. Could this frame have been for a single cylinder?

Offline zappaclassics

  • Advanced Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 6
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
    • View Profile
Re: Strange Bike II - What is it?!?
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2007, 11:07:36 PM »
Many thanks to all of you. I found some books about earlies puchs. As soon as I start to disassemble de bike IŽll be back with news pics and informations.

Merry Christmas and a happy 2008.

Thanks.

Mario Zapata

Offline br1737

  • Advanced Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 4
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Strange Bike II - What is it?!?
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2010, 10:22:57 AM »
Hello Mario, i have some informations about your strange bike.

Could you please contact me via private message or is anyone else in contact with Mr. Mario Zapata?

Thanks for your reply,

br1737

Offline cardan

  • Advanced Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1187
  • Karma: +19/-5
    • View Profile
    • earlymotor.com
    • Email
Re: Strange Bike II - What is it?!?
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2010, 02:28:28 AM »
Hi br1737,

Perhaps you could share your information about the bike with us - I'm certainly interested!

Leon

Offline br1737

  • Advanced Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 4
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Strange Bike II - What is it?!?
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2010, 02:11:40 PM »
the bike is extremely modified, but the base was pre WW1 Puh. Gearbox was added sometime later, and the complete engine housing looks to be something selfmade. Cylinders and heads seem to be original.

br1737
« Last Edit: September 01, 2011, 01:27:28 PM by br1737 »

Offline br1737

  • Advanced Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 4
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Strange Bike II - What is it?!?
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2011, 05:53:23 AM »
forks, front of the frame and wheels seem to be quite original,

br1737
« Last Edit: May 02, 2011, 09:57:32 AM by br1737 »