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Re: Norton JAP Plus other Discussion!
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2013, 10:51:15 PM »

Guess we will never know!

You have hit all the nails on the head !
So we do know.

One not mentioned though was AUTOMATION. All the car makers of the time were switching from near individually hand made cars to mass production = production lines. The Mini was quoted as ending more than a few motorcycle factories economic dreams.  Only Nortons (was it, with the Commando ?) actually got to this line of thinking (pardon the pun) = a production line, rather than bikes built on benches.

Oddly these days, hand-made is back, its come full circle ? . Harleys can be had wth as many individual specified options as ypu can imagine - a modern day Brough Superior, in the showrooms . And Aston Martin and Morgan pride themselves on their hand-built quality. At a price, at a price.....

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« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2013, 07:16:28 AM »
 "a production line"      was a disaster for velocette , when bsa where at there max out put (1953 i think) 75,000 units a year , for the japanese this is less than a weeks output , british bike industry failed to move with the times unfortunatly . and latter the cars went the same total lack of investment

johnnyboy-wonder57

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Re: Norton JAP Plus other Discussion!
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2013, 09:24:57 AM »
Hi,
I think costs of production & inflation in particular is a killer when producing industrial products,  plus faulty logic applied to management & predatory acquisitions and mergers!
How often have people read about successful R&D teams or production lines being re-jigged & for no particular good reason, where specialists and experts of indeed people familiar with certain products, (using the word in the old fashioned way) were disbanded or projects abandoned, BSA Gold Star, Bantam; Norton, the closure of Bracebridge Street wouldn't have been too bad had Hopwood acquired  the New Industrial unit he wanted close by the original Midlands work force, again, with the move to  Plumstead London, Norton expertise was lost & facts record this was so!

In Britain the Post Modernists couldn't wait for the death of Industry, planners architects developers had a hey-day, it was thought by the early Eighties that Finance &  the Services would see "us" through in terms of wealth creation & jobs, Manufacturing was seen as as being "second-fiddle".  Wealth, it was thought, would filter down through the population as if by an osmotic effect, but the reality is that for most people a "real" skilled or semi-skilled job in industry was the only hope they would have of earning a living wage.   You need to export goods & expertise in Services to pay off the Balance of Payments.  When there's nothing left to Export, the "shit hits the fan", sooner rather than later!

A Dutch female MEP on TV in the last 6 months, but not on Prime-Time said in no uncertain terms that the earnings of people in North-west Europe had to fall by a fifth if not a quarter to make the region as a whole economically viable again, I respect her honesty! The problem is other regions of the World aren't faced with such high living costs, stealth taxes, Green taxes & probably self-serving idiot politicians e.t.c.

You can't have your Cake & eat it, when I saw all the B.M.W's & Mercedes  on the road, I thought instinctively some things wrong, you can't lose your major manufacturers in cars & motorcycles & import willy-Nilly and keep a healthy economy, a Global Free market is a dangerous place for most of us,re-jobs & livelihoods.

Researched, J.A.P some good stuff but it seems like the same old stuff is repeated across the Net, Primary source stuff is getting harder to find, by the way some of you may have noticed that Web browsers do not work like they did 10 years ago, as you search source material is shifted out, to what the Browser thinks you should receive, new technology eh!  A guy does a presentation on this in YouTube, I noticed this effect some months ago & was puzzled by web search  results or lack of them in breadth!
Interesting sites:
http://www.vintagespeedway.co.uk/www.vintagespeedway.co.uk/Home.html

http://www.japrestwich.com/

Wink, sent you a PM!

Cheers


JBW

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Re: Norton JAP Plus other Discussion!
« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2013, 05:31:56 PM »
i love the look of the custom bobber , but talk about a step backwards , and for £30,000 for a almost unusable bike (in the UK), they are only going to be bought by collectors and never seen again . good luck to them and well done , a large part of the machine looks harley or a good copy , and that price would buy you a very nice harley bobber and the trip to daytona to use it .

johnnyboy-wonder57

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Re: Norton JAP Plus other Discussion!
« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2013, 07:31:37 PM »
Wetdog,
Did you use the other link for this bike?
See below!
http://www.japrestwich.com/new.htm

Some views here!

Cheers


JBW

johnnyboy-wonder57

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Re: Norton JAP Plus other Discussion!
« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2013, 07:41:34 PM »
Sorry third part!


Cheers


JBW

johnnyboy-wonder57

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Re: Norton JAP Plus other Discussion!
« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2013, 09:15:31 PM »
Re- J.A.P  Motors:
First part! Introduction!
Some Quotes & Facts:
Alec card:
“Saturday afternoons I take a head out to the coast on the Brough & cruise along comfortably @120mph.”

“Indeed Alf Hagon, the man behind the famous shocks, once ran a JAP 1000cc bike @ 189mph over a flying kilometre!”

“You only need 30 b.h.p to propel a 240lb motorcycle to 100mph!”

Fact:
“The work done by Bert Le Vack, J.A.P's, Head of development, (joined march 1922), on the J.A.P engine meant that the engine produced 90 b.h.p @ 4,400 rpm, twice as much as a comparable Vincent twin,  (Series A,  Rapide, which came along in 1936)!  It was some years before Vincent caught up with the Black Lightening, which went on to hold the record for the World's fastest production bike.”

Phil Irving: Vincent: A 1000cc engine developing 45b.h.p @ 5,300rpm will propel a solo model, (motorcycle), @ over 100 m.p.h on a top gear of 3.5:1, & will cruise @ 80m.p.h. @ which speed the engine is only turning over @ only  3,800 r.p.m.

....It would appear that the 650cc engine turning out around 35 b.h.p is fast enough for the majority of hard riders, especially for areas where high speeds cannot be sustained for long periods, (1961)!

How times change!

Maybe Vincent didn't have the edge after all!

Cheers

JBW