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johnnyboy-wonder57

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BSA Demise& Industrial Heartland Destruction
« on: October 12, 2012, 09:56:28 PM »
Hi,
I have been re-reading Hopwood's book, Whatever Happened....but in looking things up on the net, I found this Roland Pike's memoirs, apparently the chapters missing had been already published in a book, apart from Chapter 25, these memoirs may get to the heart of the problem of our industries demise, in a more direct way than the former text.   They can be accessed through http://www.beezanet.com/daytona/roland_pike.htm

I have just come back from Lancashire & seen an old industrial area of MOD land the old ROF @ Euxton, being ruthlessly developed; it was 7-8 square miles of land, both my Father's parents worked there & his brother, they reckon its going to be the biggest residential area in Western Europe, Buckshaw Park or something, nothing seems left of this once vast industrial complex.  Of   interest, I noticed that Bloor homes, ( of Triumph fame), were amongst the developers.

Industrial Lancashire has been flattened & has sprouted 1000s of toy-town houses for seemingly 1000s of toy-town people, what a mess.  I never thought as I cycled to a bomb crater in the middle of the fields as a boy, that this apocalyptic vision would meet me 45 years later. Sadly I feel very little connection to any of the new County strategy for |Lancashire & hope that my adopted County of Kent doesn't go on the same Orwellian journey, with also 20mph speed restrictions blighting every possible urban area of residential development,http://www.20splentyforus.org.uk/.

I read somewhere that 120,000 people lost their jobs when BSA closed, BAE anyone, who said pardon the man & bring back Guy Fawkes?

JBW

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Re: BSA Demise& Industrial Heartland Destruction
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2012, 11:20:57 PM »
As one era ends, another begins. ?
If you look back at industrial history all through time, the goat and horse and donkey replaced the labour of mans back, the wheel usurped them all, the railway upheaved the lot of them, the sail ship was replaced by steam and the propellor, gave way to fuel oil, then wings beat the lot of them, and the jet replaced the propellor. etc etc etc
Change begats change.

Thus goes the cycle of rebirth and rebirth and rebirth.
Perhaps all those old Indian mystics knew something. ?

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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2012, 11:10:57 PM »
Ironic, I moved out of Kent,[born and bred] because they've mucked up Kent as I knew it; when I go back there I get near to tears to see what happened to it.

As for the industrial heritage gone we have only ourselves to blame, unions [ I am still a union member] with ever unrealistic demands for higher wages, people who demand ever cheaper goods, instead of supporting the home industry, in order to have disposable income to spend on foreign "status" cars; Crooked politicians ever eager to go along with consumer demand in order to promote a false feel good factor for their own ends....... voter apathy, voters ever eager to vote like sheep, mass immigration which was encouraged to undermine the UK worker.

Dangerous subject to post on, and  its still going on.

Too late change now we have population of  sheeple.

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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2012, 12:11:35 AM »
Population pressure may have something to do with it too ?
Gotta house all those surplus folks somewhere.

Speaking of sheep, maybe this sums it up = global phenomenom ?
http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/image/gif/201241/65lzh35c.gif

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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2012, 07:42:55 AM »
I was born 10 miles from Sheffield in the heartland of the South Yorkshire coal field, when I grew up 90% of people either went "down the pit" or worked in Sheffield at the Steel works. Since the 80's all this has gone... I left too to live and work abroad and returned to York a few years later and stayed there for 15 years. In the 90's I returned home to the village where I was brought up and resettled here.

The environment had changed dramatically, tree trunks, sparrows and starlings were no longer black but had some colour and the near by river Dearne was no longer a highly toxic soup that put you in hospital if you fell in, but supported a good head of fish. The environment has continued to improve and is really good now. However the malaise has shifted from our surroundings to the community.

The main problem being that the jobs for hundreds of thousands of people were ended in a ten year period and the vacuum has not been filled by other jobs except for a few 'Mickey Mouse' companies, as I've heard them called, offering basic minimum wage jobs. There are 'third generation unemployed' and have the mind set that if it was good enough for Grandad and Dad to be on the dole it's good enough for me. Now the area has plunged into a social tail spin of drugs and criminality of various kinds. We have been fortunate in that we have not had the influx of masses from the sub-continent or indeed more lately from eastern europe to compound our problems and I must say it's all of our own indigenous making!

Most people around these parts blame Maggie and will no doubt party on the old lass's demise. They hate and distrust the police (hardly suprising after the events of the Miners strike and now Hillsborough we officially find out) so much so that I would say 75% of crime is unreported. Many people are making do with benefits and other illicit occupations. The area is getting very run down and shops and pubs have closed in their droves. We too have thousands of acres... oh sorry hectares of brown field sites and some like you say in Lancashire are being filled up with "little boxes on the hillside".

I can't offer up a remedy, I wish I could, but I know that like most others who are getting a little long in the tooth, that if this is progress, things certainly aint what they used to be!
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2012, 09:34:04 AM »
"mass immigration which was encouraged to undermine the UK worker" nail and head , birmingham is now the first city in the uk to have a majority immigrant population , well done ,     "the war will be won thro the womb of woman " and he was right , ps the koran is available FREE to any NONE muslims down here .

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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2012, 10:54:50 AM »
That was Slough, many years ago, but I take your point.
Fair point about undermining the indigenous workers too. I never could understand the unions' viewpoint that it was a "Good Thing" to encourage immigration in the 1940s and 50s as even then there were enough "workers" for the available jobs. The old fallacy beloved by the liberals and encouraged by the Right was that "but the immigrants do the jobs the English won't do" which was all bollix on so many levels and still apparently exists today in some quarters.

Even on the BBC this week there was a piece on young Spaniards coming here to find work, and the tone was "How lucky we are to get these hard-working educated men" when they should have really been saying "so how many more poor-English speaking waiters do we need sucking up benefits etc". The good old liberal elite have much to answer for.... >:(

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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2012, 05:37:18 PM »
If the Islamic  birth rate of those already here increases at the same percentage year by year as it has already by 2040 this country will be 80% muslim.

The establishment have taken away our guns; yet there are certain sections of the population walking about with all kinds of weapons yet the yumman rights brigade have given them apparently irrevocable British citizenship so they cannot be got rid of.
We have no means of defence; the same crime committed by a white English man merits a more punitive judicial punishment that the same crime committed by a cultural enricher. I have strong views on who why what is behind it all, not for here really, but its time we woke up.

I'm glad I'll not be around to see the debacle.

 I hope we are not on the way to upset the mods here.
I'll state right here and now, I am a proud white English nationalist.

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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2012, 02:20:01 PM »
I always thought this site was underused, 4 topics a week, but the topic that generates most discussion is not about motorcycles at all!
It`s the same when I talk to people in the street or at shows, everywhere everybody is on about immigrants. Lancashire needs this new town for a white ghetto for people driven from their hometowns of Blackburn, Burnley, Nelson, Accrington, Bolton etc.   Did you like that?
Some of my best friends bikes are black.

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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2012, 04:17:04 PM »
Yes I find its the same everywhere but people are terrified of speaking their minds in case the PC brigade scream Raciss! at them.

And its not all about skin colour either its about attitude, ethics and morality.

Th PC lot are correct in one thing, this country has always given refuge to the refugees of the world, difference is this time we have allowed into our country a set of people whose avowed intention is to dominate us.They have no intention of adopting our culture of way of life.
That is the difference between other waves of immigration and this one.
They are waging economic and womb warfare.
We have rolled over and are too cowed to do something about it, our political leaders are nearly all of recent foreign ancestry and have their own agendas.

We need to speak out loudly and often, or your granddaughters will be wearing hijab.

and to keep it motorcycle related I have no wish to see the bikes I have preserved from our industrial heritage being broken up in 50 years time in order to use the wheels for a donkey cart.

Anyone who wants some strong stuff to read and to read about the sort of story that is kept out of the media is welcome to PM me for a list.

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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2012, 05:14:35 PM »
Mr Wink misses the point. It's not about "how black" someone is but how can "we" keep absorbing the waifs and strays of the world? We don't need any more Pakistani doctors or waiters, Polish cooks and plumbers, (who incidentally are generally rubbish at it) or Lebanese taxi drivers. We especially don't need them when our own semi-literate under-class can't get any sort of meaningful work and need to be paid to sit at home watching their mates on Jeremy Kyle....

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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2012, 07:53:10 PM »
We don't need any more criminals of any kind, regrettably the statistics we are not shown, rather than the ones we are, suggest that proportionally most of our criminals are not home grown.
Its all on the net, not internet woffle but from Govt sources.

check out the relative statistics for rape, murder, violence, financial fraud its very very scary.
However has the NUJ and the BBC control the info we see  media these things are not shown.

There is a U tube video of a Black woman completely losing the plot on public transport; ranting against white people, abusive, racist threatening; U tube are continually removing it as fast as it is re posted on there, despite hundreds of people reporting it to the police no action has been taken against that woman; meanwhile for a similar  rant just as, or even less bad, a white woman is now doing time. The video of that woman is still there after a year or more.

Now is the time to start speaking out and standing up to be counted. Make the establishment listen for once.

It'll be like the Balkans on this island in a few decades, unfortunately we have nowhere to run to.

After the next round of proposed Army cuts there are right now illegals in this country than there will be  soldiers in the Army.

A whole army of people who hate us, our way of life, our culture, our history, every thing we stand for just waiting their opportunity.

If Hitler had had the same forces living here amongst us  in 1939 history would have been a lot different.

Welcome to the gestating state of North Pakistan., previously known as Great Britain courtesy of Blair, Thatcher,  Brown, Cameron, and all the rest of their cohorts.


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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2012, 09:48:04 AM »
wait till the Turkish arrive , very soon , they are muslim but even the muslims here already dont want them , the conflict about to kick off will bring there arrival forwards , anyone whos been to Turkey will have seen what a poor poulation it has , to them UK is heaven

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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2012, 10:13:40 AM »
Seems to me that there is scheming afoot for the Saudi generated troubles in Syria to spill over into Turkey, that way NATO ie us and the US, will get the excuse they are trying to find to go into Syria>>>Iran?



Speak up speak out, stand up to be counted and hang the consequences, the only way. Don't be smothered by the PC brigade.

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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2012, 03:34:27 PM »
Guys,
The post was about the seemingly gleeful de-industrialisation of one of the industrial heartlands of the UK & the unstinting one- dimensional Political & Social solution of building 1000s of "Micky-mouse" homes in their place..... which also just tied in with the fact that on my visit, to Central Lancashire I got back from my Father,  a book I had previously lent him... Bert Hopwood's  "Whatever Happened to the BMI.".. about the Motorcycle Industry & Birmingham/Coventry/Woolwich e.t.c for a re-read.

John Bloor, (the owner of Triumph), is developing houses there @Euxton/Leyland/ Buckshaw, as he previously did  on numerous sites elsewhere & famously @ Meriden. When he bought the  old Triumph factory. The story goes, he got the Manufacturing Rights to the Triumph name on purchasing the site & whether he loved motorcycles or not, I do not know, but  probably for commercial reasons he started manufacturing new Triumph motorcycles in 1991& in so far as I can assess a lot of enthusiasts are grateful on this account.  He just happens to be one of the speculators/developers @ present on the site.

The World has changed, of that there is no doubt, but the people responsible for most of the major upsets in this part of the World/Europe, have I believe in the main, had the same coloured face as I have, through introducing misguided policies & short-term solutions to the problems we are facing.

If you look behind the policies of many industries the drive perhaps through stiff competition & then later on Globalisation, has been to de-skill the workforce, from Henry Ford onwards.. thus/therefore limiting the potential earnings people could receive in re-numeration.   If you then apply this to the less than thoughtful destruction of our Industrial manufacturing sector in the past, of which other factors too were partially to blame, poor Management, Consultancy Syndrome, radicalised Unions, poor under-capitalised plant, inflation, Investor/Share-holder returns, spiralling land values, Speculators greed, Computerisation  e.t.c. you are left with an employment model that inevitably leads to an increase in many non-essential posts in mid-tier level, the downsizing of productive employees & a reduced wage structure for many as their tasks are inevitably semi-skilled & low skilled operations.

Probably it could have been different for the UK, if sufficient revenue from taxes & North Sea oil had been ear-marked for training  & bringing forward  a technical revolution in manufacturing that started to happen in the late 80s & 90s on a greater scale elsewhere.

Politicians in the main, strive to maintain the Status Quo, when the felt that the Financial Sector could foot the Nations bill, it was unbridled & other sectors were forgotten or left to the mercy of Financial policies of, the way to go was whatever gave the greatest numerical return to the few involved.  Money & power now gravitates to a smaller & smaller section of society, surely this is the core problem of the Nation/World?

Even my Schoolboy lessons in Economics stated that you needed to make goods & export products to maintain a good balance of payments, no Eton or Harrow involved here!

Lastly, having worked in Turkey 4 years ago & being left stranded by an airline, I made my way back to Blighty by train, coach & foot having only  a moderate amount of £s in my back pocket.

In Frankfurt being short of the required full fee to get train to Cologne, in the rain, I approached a group of Muslim taxi drivers & asked if anyone wanted to buy my leather jacket for the Euro equivalent of £18, they retired and then asked me why I needed the money, so I told them, 5 minutes later, their leader went down the Taxi rank & came back with more than I required & told me that it was not right for a man to sell his jacket in such bad weather & to take the money with their best wishes to continue my journey! I am eternally grateful to them & continued to Cologne where my Employers could wired some money to me.

No white faces helped me that day, things may be difficult in relationships between different groups, but in my experience, race is only a barrier when you make it so & the collective situation is often very different on individual level.

I realised a long time ago on this site that if I had "haved" a foreign sounding name I probably wouldn't have got any or many replies.

I was hoping for some comments on the demise of our much beloved dysfunctional industry..perhaps from someone who worked there or some long-term good solutions to our Industrial decline!

JBW