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Identify these bikes! / Re: ID this fuel tank ?
« on: October 11, 2018, 12:33:48 PM »
Oddly, I am not that far from Salisbury :) Well done looking at the bike you mentioned once again you have solved the case. I would say though the Commie comment was a bit uncalled for, even though it may be from a bike you or indeed I would not want to own some people do. It is a very well made and solid tank and if anything made from thicker metal than it really needs to be and is in far better order than I would suspect a british tank would be from this time if just kept in a damp shed. Still at least now I know what it is I will be able to sleep at nights :)  cheers, Jon   

Identify these bikes! / Re: ID this fuel tank ?
« on: October 10, 2018, 09:46:52 PM »
I have some photos so hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me can crack this case. I have searched hundreds of online photos of bikes, tanks and even knee pad shapes but it has beaten me :( Any ideas ?

Identify these bikes! / ID this fuel tank ?
« on: October 09, 2018, 01:12:22 PM »
Hi guys, not much to go on with this I am afraid but maybe someone will know. Just got back from local auction viewing. One lot has a lot of vintage bike parts and a really nice fuel tank. Sadly I did not have camera or phone with me. The tank is missing the emblems but they would clip on. has knee pads and around the bottom edge is a fitted rubber beading that would be factory. I would think its 50's or 60's ? The other thing that may help is the fuel filler cap that looks original to the tank has what I think is a Hare running on. Any ideas ? I would think all the old bike parts that are with it come from the same bike.
 Cheers, Jon

Identify these bikes! / Re: Any help with ID of this 1900's frame ?
« on: June 25, 2018, 06:41:28 PM »
A bit of a update on this frame. I have now sold it so thanks to all and mainly Leon for helping with the ID of the frame. It was actually the Zedel ? engine bike and not the Buchet engined version. The frames were made in the factory different and the Buchet ones did not have the lower cross bar. I think the buyer also mentioned that the rear engine lug was at a slightly different angle on the Buchet versions. The photos Leon added were actually of the person who has now bought the frame very own bike, it seems he has many and only collects pre 1910 bikes and cars. He paid me what I would think was a very good price and really I could buy a complete but modest running 50's classic of around 350cc quite easily for what this frame raised. My wife thinks they must be mad but I am not complaining :)  And so should Leon and I ever meet up I owe you quite a few drinks ;) 
                   Best regards, Jon 

I have a Rudge rapid 250 engine down in my stock has a mag and good spark and looks to me ready to go, also have a gear box. Been keeping for a project, If of interest let me know or I would not mind the frame :)
       Cheers, Jon

Identify these bikes! / Re: Any help with ID of this 1900's frame ?
« on: June 18, 2018, 03:29:15 PM »
Holy cow, how do you do it :) I think one again you have it spot on. I see what you mean about the frame on the bike shown as I would think it would of been unusual to not of had a lower frame rail at that time. Thanks leon for all you help. Now to see if I can find someone that this will appeal to as I do not think I have patience to try and find parts to make a bike like that. It would probably take a lifetime if it could be done.
       Kind regards, Jon

Identify these bikes! / Re: Any help with ID of this 1900's frame ?
« on: June 18, 2018, 10:03:15 AM »
Hi Leon, The engine lugs are a bit over 1.5" across and probably closer to 40mm incase having a metric size for continental bikes. The space between the front engine lug and the closest rear part of the engine fitting lug is 160. The steering lug parts are 40mm OD on fork bearing parts. The front engine lug has a small fin on the front facing side that is a neat touch, unsure if it really adds to aerodynamics but looks nice :)
           Cheers, Jon   

Identify these bikes! / Re: Any help with ID of this 1900's frame ?
« on: June 16, 2018, 09:40:36 AM »
Just a thought. As to me it looks quite long could it of fitted a small V twin ? Looking at some photos of a Sarolea that looks close though never seen one in the flesh and can't see lower fram engine mount lugs.

Identify these bikes! / Re: Any help with ID of this 1900's frame ?
« on: June 15, 2018, 09:22:28 PM »
Hi, I have been over the frame with a magnifying glass :) and can find no other numbers on any part. The only slight clue is that it has the nicest and most unusual grease nipple I have seen. It is nickle plated and has a cover that folds out the way, its held in place with a pin. Have looked at hundreds of grease nipples on Google but have not found one like this. What away to spend a early evening :)


Identify these bikes! / Re: Any help with ID of this 1900's frame ?
« on: June 15, 2018, 10:19:27 AM »
Hi Leon and others, I will have a real close check over of the lower main lug to see if i can find any marking maybe filled with paint. It does to me look a quite long frame and as you said I think it looks lovely. So much so that I have it in my living room at home. Much better to look at than the wifes china pots :)
It is though probably not for me as a bit to old, I like post 30's to 60's so will probably move it on though would love to know what it is first. You managed to get to the bottom of the odd set of Newmount / Zundapp forks I have so hopefully you or one of the others can crack this case as well :)
          Cheers, Jon   

Identify these bikes! / Any help with ID of this 1900's frame ?
« on: June 14, 2018, 12:43:45 PM »
Hi, got this frame yesterday. Last owner remembers it being in family from at least 50's and he is now mid 80's. Around 20 years ago he looked through library books and thinks he id it as a Werner ? I must admit being such a old bike I had never come across it. Anyway he never had benefit of Internet so just went with that. I looked up a Werner but I am not 100% it is. It looks to have a few slight differences to me. I did find a few other very early bikes it could be like maybe a Peugeot? . Any ideas ? The main cross bar is 1.25" tube and it is quite long at 27" between fittings. It has a 8" space down to lower cross bar and I would think the max dimension of wheel and tyre would be around 27.5". Has belt drive built in kinks in rear left side. Has a number stamped a bit faint in saddle post fitting that looks like 15491. It has been painted with red led but was black under, maybe someone could possibly remove with care if wanted it original. Still looks and feels in very good order for age.

European and Other Bikes / Re: Whats this engine in 1930's Monet Goyon
« on: January 21, 2018, 04:55:49 PM »
you are right there that at this time sadly no one knows but there must be someone knowledgeable out there somewhere. I just have to find them ;) 
Yes Frome area Somerset and would not want to be any where else :)   

European and Other Bikes / Re: Whats this engine in 1930's Monet Goyon
« on: January 20, 2018, 09:55:07 PM »
There no doubt about it Mini me, you do make me laugh. What you seem so hooked up on is that this or any bike is not original. All bikes are just parts put together and for me I don't care. I like it and like the look. All I wanted was a answer to what the engine may be, sadly this as yet has not been answered but it may well be just parts put together from many engines as you suggested, but I don't care :) I am in no way talking it up just pointing things out. Yes the gear change has been made up but if you look you can see this was a awful long time ago. No it never had pedals and there is a place the kick start would of once been fitted but with the twin gear shift this would make fitting it impossible. Hope that's straight. You do need to get over any perceived injustice you have had done to you in the past though as your blood pressure must be through the roof :) Anyway have a good one and take it easy.
        Cheers, Jon

European and Other Bikes / Re: Whats this engine in 1930's Monet Goyon
« on: January 20, 2018, 05:44:09 PM »
To clear up the V5 I have dug it out. It obviously does not say " Something like" I just did not have it to hand.
It says GWF997W as declared manufactured 1936 , non transferable date of first reg 2014. This was me getting the V5 as it had apparently got lost over the years. The frame number is 1936 MG S17 as I did go onto there site and ask to check. It came with some old paperwork and I think even a old tax disc I had to send in, never had any problems so did the DVLA have it on there books still, I cant remember.  I think the reg number someone dated for me as 1940's. I have no idea how you do that is there a register of numbers someplace ? And way I guess this must be why the last owner said it was in the UK from the 40's. 
So was it off the road do you think and lost its V5 as does happen or did it come over in the back of a van. Maybe the owner before me as you say thought it had been knocked up and passed it on :( Still I like it.
As for the exhaust connections I see R says he has some Villiers did have fine thread screw on barrel, these are also very fine large thread screw on but as I recall as do not have the bike in front of me I do not think the exhaust nuts are correct, they screw on but I think felt a bit lose on the threads so may have different thread. Anyway to me its a interesting bike and a nice shape and it was not expensive. I will get to the bottom of the engine one day, it looks the part to me and I do not care on originality on this. There is not a engine number as far as I could see anywhere on the engine only that old worn casting and a number on the flywheel mag.
    Cheers, Jon

European and Other Bikes / Re: Whats this engine in 1930's Monet Goyon
« on: January 20, 2018, 05:13:12 PM »
As for the bike frame and the front forks they are a 1930's Monet Goyon S17, this was a twin port bike but with a 175 engine I think. The frame numbers have been id'd on the Monet Goyon french site. It also has on the V5 as model S17. It is also shown on the V5 as having a 197 or something close to that engine size.
The engine though is unidentified, The Monet Goyon lot say its not one of there's so is probably not a Villiers from any factory. It may well be something made up like Mini Me says. But I do think at sometime the bike has been raced even if by a individual having track fun. Why on earth would anyone want a heel operated brake and both a foot and short stubby hand shift and no kick start ?  I think it probably came over in the 40's and got issued this number and registered as a MG S17. It may of been modified before or after that time. If the engine was put in after it came over here I would of thought it was more likely British or British parts and if before when it was back in France more likely French. All I really want to know is what is it or from what parts it been knocked up out of. Mini Me mentioned lawn mowers I think, anyone know of a twin port mower ?
            Cheers, Jon           

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