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European and Other Bikes / Re: Whats this engine in 1930's Monet Goyon
« on: January 21, 2018, 04:55:49 PM »
you are right there that at this time sadly no one knows but there must be someone knowledgeable out there somewhere. I just have to find them ;) 
Yes Frome area Somerset and would not want to be any where else :)   

European and Other Bikes / Re: Whats this engine in 1930's Monet Goyon
« on: January 20, 2018, 09:55:07 PM »
There no doubt about it Mini me, you do make me laugh. What you seem so hooked up on is that this or any bike is not original. All bikes are just parts put together and for me I don't care. I like it and like the look. All I wanted was a answer to what the engine may be, sadly this as yet has not been answered but it may well be just parts put together from many engines as you suggested, but I don't care :) I am in no way talking it up just pointing things out. Yes the gear change has been made up but if you look you can see this was a awful long time ago. No it never had pedals and there is a place the kick start would of once been fitted but with the twin gear shift this would make fitting it impossible. Hope that's straight. You do need to get over any perceived injustice you have had done to you in the past though as your blood pressure must be through the roof :) Anyway have a good one and take it easy.
        Cheers, Jon

European and Other Bikes / Re: Whats this engine in 1930's Monet Goyon
« on: January 20, 2018, 05:44:09 PM »
To clear up the V5 I have dug it out. It obviously does not say " Something like" I just did not have it to hand.
It says GWF997W as declared manufactured 1936 , non transferable date of first reg 2014. This was me getting the V5 as it had apparently got lost over the years. The frame number is 1936 MG S17 as I did go onto there site and ask to check. It came with some old paperwork and I think even a old tax disc I had to send in, never had any problems so did the DVLA have it on there books still, I cant remember.  I think the reg number someone dated for me as 1940's. I have no idea how you do that is there a register of numbers someplace ? And way I guess this must be why the last owner said it was in the UK from the 40's. 
So was it off the road do you think and lost its V5 as does happen or did it come over in the back of a van. Maybe the owner before me as you say thought it had been knocked up and passed it on :( Still I like it.
As for the exhaust connections I see R says he has some Villiers did have fine thread screw on barrel, these are also very fine large thread screw on but as I recall as do not have the bike in front of me I do not think the exhaust nuts are correct, they screw on but I think felt a bit lose on the threads so may have different thread. Anyway to me its a interesting bike and a nice shape and it was not expensive. I will get to the bottom of the engine one day, it looks the part to me and I do not care on originality on this. There is not a engine number as far as I could see anywhere on the engine only that old worn casting and a number on the flywheel mag.
    Cheers, Jon

European and Other Bikes / Re: Whats this engine in 1930's Monet Goyon
« on: January 20, 2018, 05:13:12 PM »
As for the bike frame and the front forks they are a 1930's Monet Goyon S17, this was a twin port bike but with a 175 engine I think. The frame numbers have been id'd on the Monet Goyon french site. It also has on the V5 as model S17. It is also shown on the V5 as having a 197 or something close to that engine size.
The engine though is unidentified, The Monet Goyon lot say its not one of there's so is probably not a Villiers from any factory. It may well be something made up like Mini Me says. But I do think at sometime the bike has been raced even if by a individual having track fun. Why on earth would anyone want a heel operated brake and both a foot and short stubby hand shift and no kick start ?  I think it probably came over in the 40's and got issued this number and registered as a MG S17. It may of been modified before or after that time. If the engine was put in after it came over here I would of thought it was more likely British or British parts and if before when it was back in France more likely French. All I really want to know is what is it or from what parts it been knocked up out of. Mini Me mentioned lawn mowers I think, anyone know of a twin port mower ?
            Cheers, Jon           

European and Other Bikes / Re: Whats this engine in 1930's Monet Goyon
« on: January 18, 2018, 10:16:39 PM »
I do not think the number has been filed even though it looks bad. It seems to be deep in the metal and I do not think it was stamped but in the casting when it was done. Also it came with the for me impossible to use rear heal brake as well as both a hand change and foot change gear leaver with a stubby hand change leaver. There was no kick start and one could not be fitted. I have done a few easyily reversible mods since the photo like bringing the brake leaver in front of foot peg and removing the foot change leaver so i can fit a kick start, still need to work on that. It had no lights on and I fitted them though not wired up yet and may remove and fit number boards :). Its very hard to ride as you need to be of horse jockey size with your legs right up in a jockey position.  Not much going for it really as a riders bike but I just really like the look :).

European and Other Bikes / Re: Whats this engine in 1930's Monet Goyon
« on: January 18, 2018, 10:01:01 PM »
I have also managed to find the original sales spiel that got me interested in this bike back when I bought it. Obviously with nothing other than what this says and no real providence I took it with a pinch of salt. What do you think ? The V5 I have gives a date of something like 1947 ( I do not have it to hand and do not remember if the reg No is transferable or not ) Any idea where the reg No is from ? It changed hands around a year before I bought it but apparently this was the first time in 30 years or so.
I have for sale this very special bike. It is a 1930-34 Monet Goyon 250cc series R Villiers engine racing bike. It was prepared for racing in the 30s and has a number of interesting period race features. It was raced through the 30s at many race tracks including the historic banked track at Brooklands in England.

The company Monet Goyon was formed in 1917 by Joseph Monet and Adrien Goyon. It began manufacturing invalid carriages for disabled war veterans. In 1920 they became agents for the British Autocycle company and then in 1922 produced their first motorcycle, a 100cc BMA (Biclyclette moteur auxiliaire). During the 20s they built an excellent reputation for sporty flat tank bikes such as the Z147 and 175. The company had considerable racing success including winning the Bol Dor six times between 1927 and 1948. The company continued to build bikes until its closure in 1959. The factory was in Macon, one hour north of Lyon.

After some investigation I believe this bike to be a R 250 Villiers engine bike manufactured between 1930 and 1934. I has a two speed gearbox operated by hand or foot change. I have been told that this unusual period modification was for push starts? It has period rear set foot pegs and low racing handlebars.

The condition of the bike is very good. It is better than oily rag and the paintwork is all original with a lovely patina. The tank is excellent with just a couple of small dents, nothing serious. The wheels are in excellent condition with good tyres. Overall the bike just looks right for a 30s racer. Mechanically it all seems good. No attempt has been made to start the bike and I believe it was last run some 30 years ago. The engine turns over fine with good compression. There is no spark but the HT lead does not appear to be well attached at the flywheel which could well be the problem. I don't think it will take a lot to get this bike running. The gearbox engages fine and the clutch works ok. The front brake needs adjusting the heel operated rear brake works well.

I acquired this bike in a group of bikes from a deceased estate. I would imagine that this bike is unique in the UK.

Once fettled and running this bike will grace any period bike event such as the coupes moto legend. It would be a lovely addition to any collection or museum.

I don't have a buy it now price as to be honest I don't know what the bike is worth.

European and Other Bikes / Re: Whats this engine in 1930's Monet Goyon
« on: January 18, 2018, 09:42:16 PM »
Na, the carb on in the picture is something I quickly stuck on to get it running as the Amac was constantly flooding. Hopefully it now all sorted as is back on though not running as well as my replacement but will sort that when I get time to tinker.

European and Other Bikes / Whats this engine in 1930's Monet Goyon
« on: January 15, 2018, 07:02:34 PM »
Hi, In my garage I have this old French bike. Its a 1930 Monet Goyon S17 with a incorrect tank on. Never really do much with it but I sort of like it. I have never been able to find out what the engine is. Its not correct for the bike as been on the French MG site in the past. No one there could ID it. I was told when I bought the bike it was a Villiers 250R, have not been able to find that engine ether and it looks a bit small to be 250 but have not had it apart to sure. Its a twin port with a nice bronze Amac carb. The exhaust connections at the head are screw threaded. The number I can see is very worn. Any ideas ? 

European and Other Bikes / Re: Bench starting Zundapp Bella engine
« on: January 11, 2018, 07:46:42 PM »
Hi John and others. Thanks for your advice. I have the condenser in my hand as am typing. Looks just like any other condenser at about 1.5" long though feels heaver than a small old one I found in my old parts from something or other, probably also faulty :) It has a number on it ZK034 / 46Z  2L would anything there point to how many microfarad it is or is that just a old part No ? We have a bike garage in town and will pop by tomorrow though will never find a exact match.
        Cheers, jon

European and Other Bikes / Re: Bench starting Zundapp Bella engine
« on: January 11, 2018, 04:30:03 PM »
Just given it ago with live to the blue connection and neg to engine. Big spark breaking out at points but no spark at plug or even just end of lead. I am guessing this will be pointing to a faulty condenser as I think have had problem on something else like this before with very big spark at points and nothing showing at plug. Did put a meter on end of plug lead and do get a reading when kicking it over but not much and no spark so back to my other question can I use pretty much any condenser that will fit ?
 Cheers, Jon

Identify these bikes! / Re: Old monstrosity form a scrap yard needs ID
« on: January 11, 2018, 03:50:36 PM »
I do not know what it is but if it was near me i would have to save it. Maybe worth something or nothing but I would find a place for it :)


European and Other Bikes / Re: Bench starting Zundapp Bella engine
« on: January 11, 2018, 03:18:11 PM »
Na, but would be good to know. bike was off road for years but engine looks like it was rebuilt and not run. Its still in frame but everything else is off so would like to see if it at least runs and go through gears before i pull it out and get frame powder coated. I must admit to me this generator looks very neat and unlike my other old 2 strokes do not have to contend with it demagnetizing :)
Would like to replace the condenser as the one on there has a dent in so may of been damaged, am I correct in that there is not any difference between a 6v an 12v one ? its a single wire condenser so if I get one of the same size so it fits in casing will this be OK ? Will try this one first but it looks to me to be the old 1955 one so may well be down by now.

European and Other Bikes / Bench starting Zundapp Bella engine
« on: January 11, 2018, 02:17:57 PM »
Hello. Hopefully this is a easy question for people with electrical circuit ignition experience. I would like to start this engine without any of the bikes wiring in place. It looks and hopefully is simple. Really all connections are in generator case. First Bella's need a battery to start unlike most 2 stroke engines. There are only 3 connections in generator. As far as I can work out 1 is for lighting and battery charging and one or is it 2 for starting. The engine earths through frame of bike so as its 6v do I just need to connect live battery wire to the blue wire connection No 15 or Do I need to connect it to the red wire connection No 30/51 as well ? I would think it would then run battery neg connected on engine ? Though battery would run down after some time ? Can you also see from my drawings how battery charges, is it just through the green wire via the cut out reg that is fitted also in the generator ? It all seems really neat without having to have all sorts of electrical fittings all over the bike just the switch and lights. Hope someone can help so a I can run up the engine to see it runs before continuing with the restoration. Cheers, Jon.

The Classic Biker Bar / How much was a years road tax in 1981 ?
« on: February 16, 2017, 02:05:13 PM »
This will tax the minds :) Unless you have a disc from this eara. I have have one of these modern repro discs to stick on a 200cc bike. Its a 1982 expiry disc so what would of been 12 months road tax if it was bought in 1981. Want to fill it in right as if i dont i am sure at a bike show someone will point it out I have it wrong :)

Identify these bikes! / Re: Triumph 5ta 1960
« on: January 01, 2017, 10:37:35 PM »
What ever it is I think you have a problem at some time coming with the DVLA. Sounds like the bike has just had the doc plates put on it. Its not nicked is it ?

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