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I have a Rudge rapid 250 engine down in my stock has a mag and good spark and looks to me ready to go, also have a gear box. Been keeping for a project, If of interest let me know or I would not mind the frame :)
       Cheers, Jon
             

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Identify these bikes! / Re: Any help with ID of this 1900's frame ?
« on: June 18, 2018, 03:29:15 PM »
Holy cow, how do you do it :) I think one again you have it spot on. I see what you mean about the frame on the bike shown as I would think it would of been unusual to not of had a lower frame rail at that time. Thanks leon for all you help. Now to see if I can find someone that this will appeal to as I do not think I have patience to try and find parts to make a bike like that. It would probably take a lifetime if it could be done.
       Kind regards, Jon

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Identify these bikes! / Re: Any help with ID of this 1900's frame ?
« on: June 18, 2018, 10:03:15 AM »
Hi Leon, The engine lugs are a bit over 1.5" across and probably closer to 40mm incase having a metric size for continental bikes. The space between the front engine lug and the closest rear part of the engine fitting lug is 160. The steering lug parts are 40mm OD on fork bearing parts. The front engine lug has a small fin on the front facing side that is a neat touch, unsure if it really adds to aerodynamics but looks nice :)
           Cheers, Jon   

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Identify these bikes! / Re: Any help with ID of this 1900's frame ?
« on: June 16, 2018, 09:40:36 AM »
Just a thought. As to me it looks quite long could it of fitted a small V twin ? Looking at some photos of a Sarolea that looks close though never seen one in the flesh and can't see lower fram engine mount lugs.
 Jon.

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Identify these bikes! / Re: Any help with ID of this 1900's frame ?
« on: June 15, 2018, 09:22:28 PM »
Hi, I have been over the frame with a magnifying glass :) and can find no other numbers on any part. The only slight clue is that it has the nicest and most unusual grease nipple I have seen. It is nickle plated and has a cover that folds out the way, its held in place with a pin. Have looked at hundreds of grease nipples on Google but have not found one like this. What away to spend a early evening :)

 

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Identify these bikes! / Re: Any help with ID of this 1900's frame ?
« on: June 15, 2018, 10:19:27 AM »
Hi Leon and others, I will have a real close check over of the lower main lug to see if i can find any marking maybe filled with paint. It does to me look a quite long frame and as you said I think it looks lovely. So much so that I have it in my living room at home. Much better to look at than the wifes china pots :)
It is though probably not for me as a bit to old, I like post 30's to 60's so will probably move it on though would love to know what it is first. You managed to get to the bottom of the odd set of Newmount / Zundapp forks I have so hopefully you or one of the others can crack this case as well :)
          Cheers, Jon   

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Identify these bikes! / Any help with ID of this 1900's frame ?
« on: June 14, 2018, 12:43:45 PM »
Hi, got this frame yesterday. Last owner remembers it being in family from at least 50's and he is now mid 80's. Around 20 years ago he looked through library books and thinks he id it as a Werner ? I must admit being such a old bike I had never come across it. Anyway he never had benefit of Internet so just went with that. I looked up a Werner but I am not 100% it is. It looks to have a few slight differences to me. I did find a few other very early bikes it could be like maybe a Peugeot? . Any ideas ? The main cross bar is 1.25" tube and it is quite long at 27" between fittings. It has a 8" space down to lower cross bar and I would think the max dimension of wheel and tyre would be around 27.5". Has belt drive built in kinks in rear left side. Has a number stamped a bit faint in saddle post fitting that looks like 15491. It has been painted with red led but was black under, maybe someone could possibly remove with care if wanted it original. Still looks and feels in very good order for age.

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European and Other Bikes / Re: Whats this engine in 1930's Monet Goyon
« on: January 21, 2018, 04:55:49 PM »
you are right there that at this time sadly no one knows but there must be someone knowledgeable out there somewhere. I just have to find them ;) 
Yes Frome area Somerset and would not want to be any where else :)   

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European and Other Bikes / Re: Whats this engine in 1930's Monet Goyon
« on: January 20, 2018, 09:55:07 PM »
There no doubt about it Mini me, you do make me laugh. What you seem so hooked up on is that this or any bike is not original. All bikes are just parts put together and for me I don't care. I like it and like the look. All I wanted was a answer to what the engine may be, sadly this as yet has not been answered but it may well be just parts put together from many engines as you suggested, but I don't care :) I am in no way talking it up just pointing things out. Yes the gear change has been made up but if you look you can see this was a awful long time ago. No it never had pedals and there is a place the kick start would of once been fitted but with the twin gear shift this would make fitting it impossible. Hope that's straight. You do need to get over any perceived injustice you have had done to you in the past though as your blood pressure must be through the roof :) Anyway have a good one and take it easy.
        Cheers, Jon

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European and Other Bikes / Re: Whats this engine in 1930's Monet Goyon
« on: January 20, 2018, 05:44:09 PM »
To clear up the V5 I have dug it out. It obviously does not say " Something like" I just did not have it to hand.
It says GWF997W as declared manufactured 1936 , non transferable date of first reg 2014. This was me getting the V5 as it had apparently got lost over the years. The frame number is 1936 MG S17 as I did go onto there site and ask to check. It came with some old paperwork and I think even a old tax disc I had to send in, never had any problems so did the DVLA have it on there books still, I cant remember.  I think the reg number someone dated for me as 1940's. I have no idea how you do that is there a register of numbers someplace ? And way I guess this must be why the last owner said it was in the UK from the 40's. 
So was it off the road do you think and lost its V5 as does happen or did it come over in the back of a van. Maybe the owner before me as you say thought it had been knocked up and passed it on :( Still I like it.
As for the exhaust connections I see R says he has some Villiers did have fine thread screw on barrel, these are also very fine large thread screw on but as I recall as do not have the bike in front of me I do not think the exhaust nuts are correct, they screw on but I think felt a bit lose on the threads so may have different thread. Anyway to me its a interesting bike and a nice shape and it was not expensive. I will get to the bottom of the engine one day, it looks the part to me and I do not care on originality on this. There is not a engine number as far as I could see anywhere on the engine only that old worn casting and a number on the flywheel mag.
    Cheers, Jon

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European and Other Bikes / Re: Whats this engine in 1930's Monet Goyon
« on: January 20, 2018, 05:13:12 PM »
As for the bike frame and the front forks they are a 1930's Monet Goyon S17, this was a twin port bike but with a 175 engine I think. The frame numbers have been id'd on the Monet Goyon french site. It also has on the V5 as model S17. It is also shown on the V5 as having a 197 or something close to that engine size.
The engine though is unidentified, The Monet Goyon lot say its not one of there's so is probably not a Villiers from any factory. It may well be something made up like Mini Me says. But I do think at sometime the bike has been raced even if by a individual having track fun. Why on earth would anyone want a heel operated brake and both a foot and short stubby hand shift and no kick start ?  I think it probably came over in the 40's and got issued this number and registered as a MG S17. It may of been modified before or after that time. If the engine was put in after it came over here I would of thought it was more likely British or British parts and if before when it was back in France more likely French. All I really want to know is what is it or from what parts it been knocked up out of. Mini Me mentioned lawn mowers I think, anyone know of a twin port mower ?
            Cheers, Jon           

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European and Other Bikes / Re: Whats this engine in 1930's Monet Goyon
« on: January 18, 2018, 10:16:39 PM »
I do not think the number has been filed even though it looks bad. It seems to be deep in the metal and I do not think it was stamped but in the casting when it was done. Also it came with the for me impossible to use rear heal brake as well as both a hand change and foot change gear leaver with a stubby hand change leaver. There was no kick start and one could not be fitted. I have done a few easyily reversible mods since the photo like bringing the brake leaver in front of foot peg and removing the foot change leaver so i can fit a kick start, still need to work on that. It had no lights on and I fitted them though not wired up yet and may remove and fit number boards :). Its very hard to ride as you need to be of horse jockey size with your legs right up in a jockey position.  Not much going for it really as a riders bike but I just really like the look :).


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European and Other Bikes / Re: Whats this engine in 1930's Monet Goyon
« on: January 18, 2018, 10:01:01 PM »
I have also managed to find the original sales spiel that got me interested in this bike back when I bought it. Obviously with nothing other than what this says and no real providence I took it with a pinch of salt. What do you think ? The V5 I have gives a date of something like 1947 ( I do not have it to hand and do not remember if the reg No is transferable or not ) Any idea where the reg No is from ? It changed hands around a year before I bought it but apparently this was the first time in 30 years or so.
 
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I have for sale this very special bike. It is a 1930-34 Monet Goyon 250cc series R Villiers engine racing bike. It was prepared for racing in the 30s and has a number of interesting period race features. It was raced through the 30s at many race tracks including the historic banked track at Brooklands in England.

The company Monet Goyon was formed in 1917 by Joseph Monet and Adrien Goyon. It began manufacturing invalid carriages for disabled war veterans. In 1920 they became agents for the British Autocycle company and then in 1922 produced their first motorcycle, a 100cc BMA (Biclyclette moteur auxiliaire). During the 20s they built an excellent reputation for sporty flat tank bikes such as the Z147 and 175. The company had considerable racing success including winning the Bol Dor six times between 1927 and 1948. The company continued to build bikes until its closure in 1959. The factory was in Macon, one hour north of Lyon.

After some investigation I believe this bike to be a R 250 Villiers engine bike manufactured between 1930 and 1934. I has a two speed gearbox operated by hand or foot change. I have been told that this unusual period modification was for push starts? It has period rear set foot pegs and low racing handlebars.

The condition of the bike is very good. It is better than oily rag and the paintwork is all original with a lovely patina. The tank is excellent with just a couple of small dents, nothing serious. The wheels are in excellent condition with good tyres. Overall the bike just looks right for a 30s racer. Mechanically it all seems good. No attempt has been made to start the bike and I believe it was last run some 30 years ago. The engine turns over fine with good compression. There is no spark but the HT lead does not appear to be well attached at the flywheel which could well be the problem. I don't think it will take a lot to get this bike running. The gearbox engages fine and the clutch works ok. The front brake needs adjusting the heel operated rear brake works well.

I acquired this bike in a group of bikes from a deceased estate. I would imagine that this bike is unique in the UK.

Once fettled and running this bike will grace any period bike event such as the coupes moto legend. It would be a lovely addition to any collection or museum.

I don't have a buy it now price as to be honest I don't know what the bike is worth.


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European and Other Bikes / Re: Whats this engine in 1930's Monet Goyon
« on: January 18, 2018, 09:42:16 PM »
Na, the carb on in the picture is something I quickly stuck on to get it running as the Amac was constantly flooding. Hopefully it now all sorted as is back on though not running as well as my replacement but will sort that when I get time to tinker.

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European and Other Bikes / Whats this engine in 1930's Monet Goyon
« on: January 15, 2018, 07:02:34 PM »
Hi, In my garage I have this old French bike. Its a 1930 Monet Goyon S17 with a incorrect tank on. Never really do much with it but I sort of like it. I have never been able to find out what the engine is. Its not correct for the bike as been on the French MG site in the past. No one there could ID it. I was told when I bought the bike it was a Villiers 250R, have not been able to find that engine ether and it looks a bit small to be 250 but have not had it apart to sure. Its a twin port with a nice bronze Amac carb. The exhaust connections at the head are screw threaded. The number I can see is very worn. Any ideas ? 

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