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European and Other Bikes / Re: Whats this engine in 1930's Monet Goyon
« Last post by Jonny The Goat on January 18, 2018, 10:01:01 PM »
I have also managed to find the original sales spiel that got me interested in this bike back when I bought it. Obviously with nothing other than what this says and no real providence I took it with a pinch of salt. What do you think ? The V5 I have gives a date of something like 1947 ( I do not have it to hand and do not remember if the reg No is transferable or not ) Any idea where the reg No is from ? It changed hands around a year before I bought it but apparently this was the first time in 30 years or so.
 
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I have for sale this very special bike. It is a 1930-34 Monet Goyon 250cc series R Villiers engine racing bike. It was prepared for racing in the 30s and has a number of interesting period race features. It was raced through the 30s at many race tracks including the historic banked track at Brooklands in England.

The company Monet Goyon was formed in 1917 by Joseph Monet and Adrien Goyon. It began manufacturing invalid carriages for disabled war veterans. In 1920 they became agents for the British Autocycle company and then in 1922 produced their first motorcycle, a 100cc BMA (Biclyclette moteur auxiliaire). During the 20s they built an excellent reputation for sporty flat tank bikes such as the Z147 and 175. The company had considerable racing success including winning the Bol Dor six times between 1927 and 1948. The company continued to build bikes until its closure in 1959. The factory was in Macon, one hour north of Lyon.

After some investigation I believe this bike to be a R 250 Villiers engine bike manufactured between 1930 and 1934. I has a two speed gearbox operated by hand or foot change. I have been told that this unusual period modification was for push starts? It has period rear set foot pegs and low racing handlebars.

The condition of the bike is very good. It is better than oily rag and the paintwork is all original with a lovely patina. The tank is excellent with just a couple of small dents, nothing serious. The wheels are in excellent condition with good tyres. Overall the bike just looks right for a 30s racer. Mechanically it all seems good. No attempt has been made to start the bike and I believe it was last run some 30 years ago. The engine turns over fine with good compression. There is no spark but the HT lead does not appear to be well attached at the flywheel which could well be the problem. I don't think it will take a lot to get this bike running. The gearbox engages fine and the clutch works ok. The front brake needs adjusting the heel operated rear brake works well.

I acquired this bike in a group of bikes from a deceased estate. I would imagine that this bike is unique in the UK.

Once fettled and running this bike will grace any period bike event such as the coupes moto legend. It would be a lovely addition to any collection or museum.

I don't have a buy it now price as to be honest I don't know what the bike is worth.

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European and Other Bikes / Re: Whats this engine in 1930's Monet Goyon
« Last post by Jonny The Goat on January 18, 2018, 09:42:16 PM »
Na, the carb on in the picture is something I quickly stuck on to get it running as the Amac was constantly flooding. Hopefully it now all sorted as is back on though not running as well as my replacement but will sort that when I get time to tinker.
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If I scan an original photograph, I have the copyright of that scan...

No - certainly not here in Australia at least, and I'd be amazed if other laws were not similar. Making a copy of an old photo does not renew the copyright.

If the original photo is still in copyright, there are only certain limited circumstances under which you can scan it legally.

Cheers

Leon
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British Bikes / Re: What's It Worth - '63 Trophy TR6
« Last post by Rex on January 17, 2018, 02:52:32 PM »
Wish I could find one like that for 3 grand.
{Hint hint...}
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British Bikes / Re: What's It Worth - '63 Trophy TR6
« Last post by iansoady on January 17, 2018, 02:03:23 PM »
True, but he did say "value".......
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... if someone has paid a squillion dollars for the rights to very old photos, and published them in a lovely coffee-table book, you can scan the photos from the book (because they are free of copyright) and do with them what you will.


 or maybe not!

Apparently, if you scan someone else's copy of an image, you are breaching the original copier's copyright, (if you see what I mean).  For example: If I scan an original photograph, I have the copyright of that scan, so anyone who copies my scan is breaching my copyright.

 
 
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British Bikes / Re: What's It Worth - '63 Trophy TR6
« Last post by TGR90B on January 17, 2018, 10:59:45 AM »
I thought he wanted an asking price. He won't know the selling price till it's sold.
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British Bikes / Re: Massey & Massey Arran motorcycles
« Last post by iansoady on January 17, 2018, 10:26:30 AM »
That's a very handy resource - many thanks.

Although I'm surprised the Mortons evil empire hasn't jumped on it!
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British Bikes / Re: What's It Worth - '63 Trophy TR6
« Last post by iansoady on January 17, 2018, 10:23:42 AM »
Yes, but those are asking prices. I find the best guide is to look for completed listings on ebay - and bikes like this seem to be 3 - 4K.
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British Bikes / Re: What's It Worth - '63 Trophy TR6
« Last post by TGR90B on January 17, 2018, 09:03:10 AM »
5k plus all day long. Just look in the mag. adverts.
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