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British Bikes / Re: Villiers centre piece carb MKII: internal dimension?
« Last post by R on August 13, 2025, 11:22:46 PM »
Villiers Services in the UK is the goto place for Villiers bits.
No idea if they have these particular parts.

https://villiersservices.co.uk/
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British Bikes / Re: Villiers centre piece carb MKII: internal dimension?
« Last post by Albion EJ on August 13, 2025, 08:54:47 PM »
Thanks all clear.

Any tips on an address to buy new centre pieces?
In Europe they seems to be not available.
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British Bikes / Re: Whatsit?
« Last post by ramwing7 on August 12, 2025, 05:56:26 PM »
Is it blue is a VERY good question.  It was blue, but appeared to be painted with something resembling latex  house paint  and maybe even with a brush.  Darned tough stuff to get off!   Like bubble gum.
Some of it was whitish under the blue.  Only thing that looked even remotely like factory paint was the inside of the dynamo cover which was blue.  It will remain a mystery.
The above piece is heading for a nail on the wall
Thanks all.
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British Bikes / Re: AJS 16M 1951
« Last post by Rex on August 12, 2025, 03:37:47 PM »
True enough. Both books and  even better still,  find on-line forums for more real world 70 years on solutions.
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British Bikes / Re: AJS 16M 1951
« Last post by 33d6 on August 12, 2025, 02:50:10 PM »
Buy both! You can’t have too much info.
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British Bikes / Re: AJS 16M 1951
« Last post by Rex on August 12, 2025, 11:53:22 AM »
Far better, in my experience, is the little Pitmans manuals for most makes, in this case written by the AMC service manager FW Neill.
Usually these books are on Ebay for a tenner at most.
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British Bikes / Re: AJS 16M 1951
« Last post by 33d6 on August 12, 2025, 05:33:42 AM »
As you know, your AJS is essentially a re-badged Matchless. By far the best owners workshop guide for you is the “MotorCycling” Maintenance Series covering Matchless 350 & 500 cc Heavyweight Singles 1939-1955.
Republished by Bruce Main-Smith Ltd in 1976 and as they say “intended for Matchless but good for AJS too.”

It contains every bit of technical information you’ll ever want to know plus all the technical differences from year to year and lots of clear illustrations. You’ll love it.

A4 landscape size, published by Bruce Main-Smith Ltd and edited by Reg Hide. Get a copy.
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British Bikes / Re: Villiers centre piece carb MKII: internal dimension?
« Last post by 33d6 on August 12, 2025, 05:09:39 AM »
I have never seen any information on the internals of the Villiers centrepiece published anywhere….ever. Further to that, as the centrepiece is made in two parts and very tightly assembled, they went to great pains to tell people NOT to disassemble them so as to look at the internals. There is nothing to gain from doing so and every chance of creating problems for yourself if you do.

Over a long period the top hole of the centrepiece may be worn out of true by the working action of the taper needle. Slight wear may be compensated for by a change of needle but for the effort and time wasted to do this and get it right it is far easier to just simply fit a new centrepiece and be done with it.

Villiers may have altered the internal arrangements of the centrepiece several times over its lifetime. We don’t know, we have no way of finding out and does it really matter? Regardless of the internal arrangements the MW carb on your Mk XIIC still runs best with a number 2 centrepiece. That is all we need to know for successful operation.
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British Bikes / Re: Villiers centre piece carb MKII: internal dimension?
« Last post by Albion EJ on August 11, 2025, 09:53:50 PM »
Thanks!

Is there any overview of the dimensions of the centre piece and needle?

I noticed that from the top at 60% of the total length of the centre piece the internal diameter is less than above and below for roughly 5mm length.
So the internal hole of the centre piece becomes narrower slightly below the middle of the total length for only 5mm. After that the diameter looks the same as from the top.

Is this correct?

I also saw this at centre piece 3.
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British Bikes / Re: Villiers centre piece carb MKII: internal dimension?
« Last post by 33d6 on August 11, 2025, 02:43:51 AM »
The Mk II designation on the underside of the float bowl refers to general improvements across the whole Villiers carburettor range. It serves no other purpose and has no role in identifying any individual part or individual carburettor. Ignore it.

Your 1 1/8" carburettor is a Villiers MW (Medium Weight). It is intended for use with a Villiers lever throttle NOT a later self closing twistgrip throttle.

The Mk XIIC was fitted with the MW (Medium Weight) carburettor as standard. It was set up with a number 2 jet (the centrepiece) and a number 4 taper needle. Both the jet (centrepiece) and taper needle are stamped with the relevant numbers. Be aware it is very easy for the MW needle and centrepiece to be confused with the similar but shorter parts used in the Villiers LW (Light Weight) carburettor. It is easy to confuse the two.

If all parts are in good condition with the float level set to Villiers specifications the carburettor will work exactly as the maker intended without any further adjustment. Please note there is often a difference between what the maker intended and what a current owner thinks it should do. 
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