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British Bikes / Re: Villiers battery charging system ?
« Last post by R on December 03, 2025, 10:00:40 PM »
Yes, I would regard a working (and visible) brake light in particular as essential in modern traffic.

Funny you should mention replica lamps. I've just taken delivery of several, and apart from no Lucas logos
or numbering they seem almost indistinguishable from the real thing. Sure beats an empty space, at least ...
Even the paintwork has improved lately ? 
We will see if they still work in 70+ years ?!
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British Bikes / Re: Villiers battery charging system ?
« Last post by Vreagh on December 02, 2025, 10:53:32 AM »
He may of fitted a cheap chinese reg/rectifier, and that headlight looks like an indian Lucas with a LED bulb to be that bright. I've done similar with my 1929 FB with no lighting coils. I fitted a 45 watt dynamo and made a 12v regulator for it, coupled with 12v bulbs all round, even a brake light. Not concours or to spec but very rideable.
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British Bikes / Re: Villiers battery charging system ?
« Last post by R on December 02, 2025, 09:10:15 AM »
So where does this wee beastie get all the juice to power that big headlamp.
Not knowing lil RE's in the slightest ...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/146989249719

Edit. Specs say it has Villiers direct (AC) lighting
And were new for 1933 ?


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British Bikes / Re: Villiers battery charging system ?
« Last post by R on November 28, 2025, 03:36:40 AM »
Miller dip switches - as a genuine copy - are fiercely expensive.
So I improvised - a coat of black (left) on a knockoff pattern.
And it has a horn press.

https://i.postimg.cc/QMQZcQxx/Miller-copy.jpg


Might work on the lighthouse 3-d molding for the top....

If only they made the supplied wires a shade longer.
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British Bikes / Re: Villiers battery charging system ?
« Last post by R on November 23, 2025, 02:11:32 AM »
Hmmm, the Owners Manual for a later model refers to a 30w generator.

A wiring diagram for such a FB shows still no voltage  control.
But a large resistance wire - centre to the top - connected to the light switch.
To soak up unneeded power ?
When the lights are not in use ??

https://cybermotorcycle.com/gallery/francis-barnett-falcon-87/images/Francis-Barnett-1965c-Falcon-87-Wiring-Diagram.jpg

Be more sensible (these days) to have a lamp there as a running light. ?
Curious and curiouser ...

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British Bikes / Re: Villiers battery charging system ?
« Last post by R on November 22, 2025, 02:06:27 AM »
Hmmm, the Owners Manual for a later model refers to a 30w generator.
Must be with more lighting coils than this has ...
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British Bikes / Re: Villiers battery charging system ?
« Last post by R on November 21, 2025, 09:33:38 PM »
Interesting point.
This looking like less of a trickle charge, and more of a dribble charge ...
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British Bikes / Re: Villiers battery charging system ?
« Last post by Vreagh on November 21, 2025, 12:12:12 PM »
The rectifier would be of the selenium type which would have a fair bit of internal resistance also lowering the DC output. Maybe Villiers accidentally invented the first regulator/rectifier. 🤔😁
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British Bikes / Re: Villiers battery charging system ?
« Last post by R on November 21, 2025, 05:03:41 AM »
Indeed.
The local advertising for these was something like "a penny a mile"
so you couldn't get more economy oriented than that.

That said, you'd hope the engineering was at least in the ballpark,
And spares and a handbook gave you a chance of keeping it running ...

Now, to find a suitable Miller headlamp switch, for the best ! of all worlds
4 position, Direct as the 4th position.
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British Bikes / Re: Villiers battery charging system ?
« Last post by Rex on November 20, 2025, 05:26:18 PM »
These bikes were sold as cheapest-of-the-cheap commuter bikes, and if the battery went flat occasionally then just charge it up.
No-one expected anything else before the Honda C50 came along.
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