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British Bikes / Re: Norton 16H. Wrong gear lever?
« Last post by Tidyrob69 on February 18, 2018, 10:18:16 PM »
Thankyou R.
I'll keep a look out for a dolls head box.
That's interesting iansoady, I guess it kept the cost down not having to tool up to make new design internals.
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British Bikes / Re: Norton 16H. Wrong gear lever?
« Last post by iansoady on February 18, 2018, 10:25:35 AM »
Yes, I only discovered that fairly recently. Although as you say Burman merely manufactured them and had no input into the design.

What is also maybe not well known is that the "AMC" box fitted to later Nortons and (oddly) AMC bikes has essentially the same internals as the lay-down and even the doll's head boxes - indeed, many parts from the earlier models still fit the latest ones.

Of course a gearbox designed for a 20-something bhp single was struggling with 50 or so from the 828 Commando especially when fitted with the larger gearbox sprocket.

I've always thought the Norton boxes of whatever era (except maybe the earlier ones with the external linkages) had the sweetest action of all the common makes.
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British Bikes / Re: Excelsior paint spec
« Last post by Rattlehead on February 18, 2018, 07:37:40 AM »
Thanks guys, I'll see if I  can expose some of the old paint!
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British Bikes / Re: Excelsior paint spec
« Last post by R on February 17, 2018, 11:17:47 PM »
Yes, and I was going to suggest have you tried stripping off the handpainted efforts, to see if there is any surviving maroon underneath.

This bike's pics appear in a number of places, with varying shades of red/maroon.
This pic seems rather bright, it would generally be a shade or 2 darker.
(Reds are notoriously difficult to photograph)


The RAL paint numbers in the low 3000's cover dark reds, see if any match anything you can find. ?
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British Bikes / Re: Excelsior paint spec
« Last post by 33d6 on February 17, 2018, 10:57:07 PM »
Look inside the toolbox or underneath the tank or some other place. If it was hand painted you can guarantee the painter will have missed somewhere.
Nor would I obsess too much about getting it exactly right. As a long standing two-stroke rider (mainly Excelsior) I can tell you no one will ever comment about how accurate your paint job is. We donít seem to attract the obsessives.

Cheers,
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British Bikes / Re: Norton 16H. Wrong gear lever?
« Last post by R on February 17, 2018, 10:51:07 PM »
The laydown box is later than your bike, and won't fit - the mountings are different.
So you are looking for a dolls head.
Ex-WD ones are fairly common, but make sure its in good condition.
Your present box is purely SturmeyArcher, as supplied for a Norton.

The Burman manufacturing connection is largely unknown to most, and not generally referred to in connection with any Norton gearbox.  Burman boxes are different.
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British Bikes / Re: Norton 16H. Wrong gear lever?
« Last post by Tidyrob69 on February 17, 2018, 10:13:34 PM »
Thanks for all your input, it makes for an interesting read.
I wonder why it has a gearbox from a decade before fitted, maybe it's an early bike registered later or maybe simply the burman/SA box was the only one available at the time to replace a faulty dolls head or lay down or whatever box it had originally.
I think my course of action will be to look at replacing the worn linkages and see how I get on. I will also keep an eye out for a gearbox suited for the year, the dolls head and lay down boxes look different in pictures, which would be the better choice? Also I assume mounting plates etc will also be required.
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British Bikes / Re: Excelsior paint spec
« Last post by Rattlehead on February 17, 2018, 10:06:21 PM »
Unfortunately I can't take s piece of the bike in to a paint supplier as it has been hand painted.
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British Bikes / Re: Excelsior paint spec
« Last post by R on February 17, 2018, 10:00:17 PM »
Your best bet is to take an original piece of maroon excelsior in to the painter/ suppler to have it matched.  They often have books of colour chips, which you can choose from.

Unless someone here can supply a code - which often don't translate well across different paint manufacturers. 

I'd suspect this would be a fairly good match - but is for another make.
https://s13.postimg.org/okcfde813/Model_G_Maroon_frame.jpg
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British Bikes / tiger cub
« Last post by beardyimpman on February 17, 2018, 08:42:53 PM »
wanted rear subframe for cub, the section the shocks bolt to, thanks , john
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