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British Bikes / Re: A Tale of Two Gearboxes
« Last post by chaterlea25 on April 13, 2026, 11:32:23 PM »
Hi Ramwing,
Yes the pressure required to fit the fixed gears to main and layshaft varies just as you have found
Only thos evening I was changing a layshaft gear to another shaft, luckily they were not too difficult

John
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British Bikes / Re: A Tale of Two Gearboxes
« Last post by john.k on April 13, 2026, 04:07:41 PM »
probably  a selective fit  in original manufacture ...always a problem when you  no longer have a wide selection of parts to chose from ..........i recall   something  like that with IH  truck  gearboxes when I jammed a tight first gear onto the mainshaft  hoping it would free up in use .....it   was  too tight  to  change gear ,and so never got a chance to free up.........and I got a  kick   up   the jaxi  from the boss.
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British Bikes / Re: A Tale of Two Gearboxes
« Last post by R on April 10, 2026, 06:27:58 AM »
Aye.
Since one is not like the other, something is badly wrong here !
Can you see if the free one is bushed inside (as it should be ?)

If that gear was fixed to the shaft, then any notion of 'constant mesh' gears goes out the window !
And since the fixing seems none too permanent, press required regardless, seems wrong....

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British Bikes / Re: A Tale of Two Gearboxes
« Last post by Rex on April 09, 2026, 05:42:55 PM »
Assemble the boxes and see which one works, or look at the assembly drawing/gear positions and see?
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British Bikes / A Tale of Two Gearboxes
« Last post by ramwing7 on April 08, 2026, 09:58:05 PM »
I have a 1949 BSA B31.  The gearbox is a mess so I got another hoping to use two to make one serviceable.
I've come up with a situation that I cannot find any information on.
In one gearbox the mainshaft gear (24-4231) slides on the shaft easily.  In the other it took 5 tons of pressure to remove the gear from the shaft and if it goes back on, it will take a press to get it there. The easily moveable one will not slide on the other shaft either.
Question is:  Which it correct?
                   Does the mainshaft gear move along the mainshaft in normal operation or is it supposed to be fixed and stationary during operation?

Many Thanks.
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British Bikes / Re: Troubleshooting a JAP Special
« Last post by Rockburner on April 08, 2026, 08:01:00 PM »
Re new pushrods, couldn't you do that old trick of repurposing rods from another engine? Shorten and refix ends as required?
At least you'd know that the material was good for the purpose.

It's a possibility to look into.
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British Bikes / Re: Troubleshooting a JAP Special
« Last post by Rex on April 08, 2026, 06:46:09 PM »
Re new pushrods, couldn't you do that old trick of repurposing rods from another engine? Shorten and refix ends as required?
At least you'd know that the material was good for the purpose.
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British Bikes / Re: Troubleshooting a JAP Special
« Last post by Rockburner on April 08, 2026, 09:49:01 AM »
Had a nice video call with the Guru yesterday, and learnt a few more useful things. 

Like: when checking the backlash it's best to do this with the timing chest cover fitted and nipped up! 
So - I did that, and:



I'd say that's as close to 1 degree as you're going to get! :D

The backlash between the timing pinion and camshaft is fine!  We had a conversation about the various options for the timing pinion - they were made with allowances for the backlash (-6, standard, +6, +12, etc, he's seen a -20!) and mine is a -6.  He initially recommended going up to a "standard" if I could find one, but after rechecking (properly!), it's all good, which is a bit of a relief because these things are just not made any more! If I was to find a 2nd hand one, I'd have no idea how worn it might be (which is the same issue with pretty much all the parts for these engines).

I'm also going to make sure that when I'm doing the valve-timing from now on I'm going to have the timing chest cover fitted and nipped up to ensure things don't have too much play: it makes more of a difference than I realised!


Obviously the guru does this so often, he actually has a cut-down cover with the timing pinion exposed so he can adjust it without removing the cover! Very handy, but massively overkill for me, once I've done this and got it as best I can, it won't be getting changed again.  The ignition timing on the other hand.... ;)

The guru reminded me of something else: the "critical" valve timing to get right is the Inlet Opening position.  Get that right and everything else will follow : the cams and cam-shaft and gear are all one solid piece, so if it's right in one place, it can't be "wrong" anywhere else, so I'll work off that principle.

We also discussed the bent push-rods, it's just something that happens - they're tubes, not solid.  I need to find some replacements, and we discussed sources. 
This is the worst one: Dial at 0

Dial showing the runout:


FYI: that's the crappy dial, I've discovered that the needle is a little loose and will wander over time. ffs.  It's ok for one-off measurements though.

The other rod isn't as bad, but best to replace the pair while I'm here:




He told me that apparantly one of the main suppliers tried to sell ally push-rod tubes a while back, which wasn't a good idea as they all bent!  The people who'd bought them were (understandably) pretty pissed off and complained bitterly, but he doesn't know if the company still sells them, or what they're made of: I shall investigate!

The current preferred material for race engines, running full power, is chro-moly tubing, but he reckons that I will be fine with regular steel tubing: I need to take the ends off my current rods (the ends are soldered on), and check the wall thickness, then go find some steel tubing of similar (or thicker) wall and see about making some up; well; presuming I can't find some ready made replacements somewhere else.

hey ho... do a job, make a job (as my ex used to say...)


Oh yeah - I also discovered last night that the classic bike track-day that I was sort of attempting to have the bike ready for has been moved to June or July, from May: so that "deadline" is no longer looming as heavily, phew.  What with the discovery of the fork and gearbox leaks I was thinking it wasn't going to be ready, now I still have a vague chance if I still want to aim for it.
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British Bikes / Re: Troubleshooting a JAP Special
« Last post by Rockburner on April 07, 2026, 10:45:22 AM »
Those different tappet settings  when doing the valve timing is a Velocette foible too.
I assume (though I've never given it much thought) that it stops the valve spring operation from affecting the valve timing measurements.
Incidentally, when I was fannying around with the valve timing on my Venom (the timing marks were wrong- another long story) someone more experienced than me said to set the valve timing up just rocking at TDC on the exhaust stroke as a good start, and he was right. It was as near as..
Clearly not satisfactory on a Honda, but for something designed in the 1930s it was OK.

Yes - I'd imagine that closing up the tappets would reset the timing to be a tad earlier (a degree or two), and the opening period a tad longer than when measured with the more open clearances... very interesting.

So - that described timing method is essentially setting the exhaust open time exactly right... and trusting that the rest are inline?  Makes sense if you've got a single, one-piece cam shaft where the entire thing is ground from a solid blank: if the first movement is correct, then it's a reasonable assumption that the rest of the timing is right because it can't be wrong (with a solid cam-shaft & cams).  If the engine has multiple cams, or the cams are individual parts slotted onto the cam-shaft:  then there's the opportunity for non-synchronisation.
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