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British Bikes / Re: Villiers 196 super sports
« Last post by cardan on November 08, 2025, 06:06:02 AM »
Correction first: Above I said that KZ was the prefix for the 196cc Brooklands engine; I meant Super Sport. (I don't think there was a 196cc Brooklands?)

Anyway, thanks for the photo of the engine. Two thinks are very clear, both of which you mention in your first post: the boss on the head is not machined for the decompressor (in fact, the head looks a bit like a recent casting?), and the boss between the exhaust ports is not machined for the oil pipe that comes with the Villiers automatic oiling system. Reading Browning, it seems that this connection, when present, is for the oil to go in via internal drillings; the pressure is provided by the other connection lower down on the crankcase.

Browning lists the 196 Super Sport prefixes as KZ and KZS, without saying what the different prefixes refer to. The VMCC machine register lists 3 KZ prefixes, 7 KZS and one lonely KZB (KZB 398) all fitted to FBs 1929-1930-ish. I guess the prefixes refer to combos of oiling system and lighting coils, with KZB being petroil and no lighting???? Let us know when you figure it out!

I assume most/all KZ engines had the decompressor originally (see photo), but I doubt it's really necessary. Most useful for stopping the engine?

Cheers

Leon
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British Bikes / Re: Villiers 196 super sports
« Last post by Vreagh on November 07, 2025, 05:27:48 PM »
It's a not a great pic but the rain here (Cornwall, England) is teeming down but I hope it may give a clue.
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British Bikes / Re: Villiers 196 super sports
« Last post by R on November 06, 2025, 10:04:40 PM »
Some clarity needed here
He is talking heads and you are talking cylinders  ???

Might be a slip of the pen.
But that photo would help ...
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British Bikes / Re: Villiers 196 super sports
« Last post by cardan on November 06, 2025, 09:58:27 PM »
The drilling in the cylinder between the exhaust ports is for an oil feed.
Or perhaps to get some pressure to drive the weird Villliers oiling system? That would make more sense.
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British Bikes / Re: Villiers 196 super sports
« Last post by cardan on November 06, 2025, 09:54:18 PM »
That's interesting. I think we might need a photo.

Most Francis Barnetts used the 172cc Super Sport engine, which has prefix BZ. The hot Brooklands version has prefix Y.

KZ is the prefix for for a 196cc Super Sport [edit: not Brooklands as I first said] engine, but I'm not familiar with KZB... Maybe it's some variant on the Brooklands/Super Sports.

The drilling in the cylinder between the exhaust ports is for an oil feed. The Brooklands head has a boss for a decompressor, but it is usually not fitted. Perhaps super-sporty riders/racers made do without a decompressor. If it's a huge problem, maybe you could use a thin aluminium gasket under the cylinder (not too thick or it will change the port timing) or a thicker head gasket to lower the compression a little.

Leon
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British Bikes / Villiers 196 super sports
« Last post by Vreagh on November 06, 2025, 03:20:32 PM »
Hi, I'm trying to identify what this 196 engine might have been fitted to originally, at the moment it's fitted into my built like a bridge frame.  It looks like the standard super sport engine but has no decompressor and no provision for lighting coils or oil feed. Engine no is KZB 179 definitely a B and not an 8. Although it starts and runs well, I'm having trouble kicking it over compression and all the heads I've seen have a drilling between the exhaust ports. I'm thinking of drilling and fitting a Royal Enfield decompressor but don't want to ruin what might be a rare head. Any thoughts please?
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British Bikes / Re: Villiers headlamp switch
« Last post by R on October 26, 2025, 05:41:50 AM »
I'm set !
A Bantam ? tin bracket and later (?) Lucas lamp seem made for the job.
And that aforementioned small 6v battery.

Have a few bicycle ones. Decided there was no mileage in them = dry cell batteries again.
A better quality of rechargeables might work, but have proved elusive.
And look notably modern.

I'd still be curious what the model of this light switch is ??
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British Bikes / Re: Villiers headlamp switch
« Last post by 33d6 on October 26, 2025, 05:14:57 AM »
We're going around in circles here. I think the best solution is that of Jferg also occasional forum visitor. When necessary he uses a clip on LED bicycle rear lamp that he has slightly modified to come on with the usual m'cycle stop light switch. This can be easily removed or changed from bike to bike with minimal mucking about. That's an idea worth exploring further. Go and have a look in your local sweatwheel shop, R. You might come away much happier.
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British Bikes / Re: Villiers headlamp switch
« Last post by Rex on October 24, 2025, 10:01:34 AM »
they originally gave but wangling a replacement in and out of that headlight clip every month or so would drive me nuts.

You and everyone else, so after the one BSA supplied (if they ever did) went up the swanee doubtless they were never replaced. Just park off-road or where a copper isn't going to visit.
If someone was poor enough to be riding a little two-stroke in the 1950s, wasting money on dry-cells would have been well down the list of necessary expenditures.
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British Bikes / Re: Villiers headlamp switch
« Last post by R on October 23, 2025, 11:59:49 AM »
I also like to have a brake/stop light fitted.

I VERY much agree with this.
Almost entirely the reason for this exercise.
From previous experience, batteries can go for months without needing a recharge if this is their sole purpose in life.
With led varieties, the voltage can go even lower before they cease to show a brake light.

I smiled at the 4.5v battery chatter. They can be sheer frustration. I don’t know exactly when they went off the market and I have mucked around making them up from two ‘D’ cells but eventually I got fed up and stopped bothering. I don’t know how many hours light they originally gave but wangling a replacement in and out of that headlight clip every month or so would drive me nuts.

This thought had crossed my mind.
From the totally pristine battery carrier, I suspect the original battery was removed and never replaced. ?
I looked into these batteries, and they are still available. 
https://au.rs-online.com/web/p/speciality-size-batteries/7904697

Just powering it off the small 6v battery, with suitable bulb, would be simpler.
Opportunities for requiring a parking light are few and far between these days ?
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