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Identify these bikes! / Re: bsa m20
« on: January 22, 2022, 03:22:01 AM »
Would seem to be a WW2 engine in a 1950 frame - so a bit of a bitza. ?
But you knew that.
As if it makes any difference ...

British Bikes / Re: Albion Gearbox Grease/Oil
« on: January 16, 2022, 04:26:18 AM »
I guess that depends on how big the puddle on the floor of your garage is.
And how often it repeats ....

British Bikes / Re: Albion Gearbox Grease/Oil
« on: January 15, 2022, 08:36:25 PM »
It should be pointed out though that flowable grease is completely different to yer average grease !

I once dismantled a Burman grease box. I was amazed to see it had been 'packed' with common grease.
It was packed to the gunnals, in fact. Except, the gears had carved cavities in said grease, and was doubtful
if there was much lubing taking place at all. The gears were still in good condition however.

Flowable grease, as used near universally now in ride-on lawn mower gearboxes etc, will flow to a level - as the name suggests.
This means the gears chuck it everywhere, much as oil does.  Except it won't escape as easily out of rudimentary oil seals.
Just a bit mixed into the gearbox oil makes it escape less out of those same rudimentary oil seals in older oil boxes.

Perhaps red had faded to lilac !

We wonder if motorcycles that were imported would have been recorded by Customs ?
This may be a source of info - if it could be accessed ?
Gov't Depts rarely throw anything out.

Hmmm, where would one start ?

There may be more of these about than you may think.
Interesting colour.

Someone has online a 1923 Sparkbrook and Spark catalog, inc a list of parts with prices.
DIY, indeed ...

Be interesting to see how the price for a whole bike v's the components would pan out.
And if that gave you enough nuts'n'bolts !

Well that was a surprisingly detailed reply in a relatively few moments !
Its a small world ?
Wonder what percentage of Warriors were exported then ?

Also, now, why would the Warrior photo be called as 249cc rather than 247 cc ?
Is this significant in any manner.  Or incorrect somewhere/somehow?

And I'd comment that that Longdown St Newtown address is very modest premises, very modest indeed.
And possibly somehow different a century ago, but not much. ?

This is more the right era engine and type of bike for our era of interest.
Levis were probably one of the biggest sellers at that time,
so the Warrior would have been directly competing .

Note that belt drive and chain drive and clutches and gearboxes were all in the mix then, at varying levels of cost and sophistication.

There is a (small) entry for Warrior motorcycles, no illustration in
"The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Motorcycles" by Erwin Tragatsch.

Warrior England 1921-23
Concentrated on one model with the 247cc Villiers engine.

Which gives us a rather large clue.
Its a smallish two stroke powered utility/commuter type bike.
As was very popular in the immediate post WW1 era.
Villiers of Wolverhampton supplied (just) the engine, the rest was sourced
 from numerous other suppliers and assembled into a complete bike.

Edit. I think this is the engine in question, a 247cc Villiers would be a larger version.
Whether it went back as far as 1921 maybe our resident Villiers authority can comment.

Finding a suitable pic in a bike of that exact era is not so easy, I'll work on it.

British Bikes / Re: Albion Gearbox Grease/Oil
« on: January 10, 2022, 09:08:24 PM »
'Mobiloil' would suggest it is an oil.
Probably just an engine oil, before oils became specialized.
The general rule is that if it has a drain plug, then it was intended for use with oil.
Does it have a filler point/level plug ?

The basic box looks to have a drain plug ?

But the kickstart version is a little less obvious. !

You could test 'fill' it with oil.
And see if it all just comes back out on the floor !
Some folks mix a little flowable grease in with the oil, to slow the rate of exit.
About every ride on lawnmower uses flowable grease in the gearbox - is it 00 grade /thixotropic grease ?

Can't help with the kickstart side of things.
If you turn it over in either of those 2 states, does it sound like a buzz saw on steroids ?
Most boxes have those separated, and the kickstart action pushes/engages them together.

Hmmm, Max 2 hp.
Sounds like a fun little beast.
Have fun !

British Bikes / Re: Best location for rectifier
« on: January 08, 2022, 04:13:19 AM »
What year is your Sun ?


Did they supply you with a wiring diagram, as they say they can. ?
The centre there is surely earth, but the diagram would confirm.

Mmmmm, I'm not sure I entirely suggested you only buy from a Dealer.
That may rather limit your options.
Rather that you can always consult a dealer if anything major or tricky needs doing later on.
Which has saved many a bike from being consigned to the back of the shed/garage ...

I don't think I have ever owned anything recent that I didn't get the Dealer to do something to.
When you need a wall full of tools to just change say a camchain, it makes sense to go down that path ?

Well if you fancy a Z650 and can afford a Z650 and can find a Z650, then why not !!

I always liked the look of those green ones.
And if you can find a running and registered one, then you are well on the way.

With the supreme advantage that the local (?) dealer can always assist if required.
Tuning up 4 carbs is quite a skill, which not all owners will want to acquire.

The Handbook that (hopefully) will come with it will detail most common tasks,
particularly keeping the chain adjusted, topping up the engine oil, battery water, brake fluid,
tyre pressure etc etc. After a while this all gells into a near automatic checking of everything required.

And if anything needs overhauling/repairing, you can always get a quote from that local dealer.
It can't be overestimated how important this is, keeps many a bike on the road ...
And you learn stuff along the way ...
Have fun !

One of the (many) sets for sale* shows there was an index to them all.
(*With a huge variation in prices, it must be said)

Yes the info in them was rather basic.

I likewise have a set of those - it was given to me, but in the 1990s.
Cover price was 36p per issue (weekly ?) - which probably dates them as 1970s ?

It covers bikes up into the 1970s also.
Covers some marques better than others, I'd comment.
Mainstream models get more pages than the less common...

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